Timeline for Yet another offensive email from another new user on Stack Overflow
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Sep 3, 2014 at 15:06 | comment | added | Adriano Repetti | @MartijnPieters of course I understand motivations behind that but - as you said - posts should be voted according to their content. If it's not childish (wrong word, maybe) at least it's not productive for SO itself (because a worse post may have higher votes because an author is rude). Well anyway it can be classified as "by design" with meta... | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 14:55 | comment | added | Martijn Pieters | @AdrianoRepetti: The Meta effect at play. Since reputation is a measurement of trust, some people try to express their opinion that a user has lost community trust, by downvoting posts. I don't condone that behaviour, I prefer to judge content for the content alone, but the behaviour is not necessarily childish. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 14:50 | comment | added | Adriano Repetti | @MartijnPieters Yes, it's off topic on this thread but I was TOO curious! Anyway, thank you! | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 14:32 | comment | added | Adriano Repetti | @Neo I completely disagree with you but I'm sad to see many of your questions/answers have been downvoted...with a quick look I really don't see any reason for downvotes. As you see we're all pretty childish. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 14:32 | comment | added | Martijn Pieters | @AdrianoRepetti: I don't think that serves any purpose; I deliberately did not link to the account, repeating their thinking here doesn't add anything to this debate. | |
Sep 3, 2014 at 14:29 | comment | added | Adriano Repetti | @MartijnPieters You said "...'social-political views' on using lowercase i ". Can you explain their reasons? I'm just curious!!! | |
Aug 9, 2014 at 7:05 | comment | added | Fabrício Matté | "I got a negative on the question after your correction so I assumed it was you." -- I beg you to reconsider that line of thought. If someone just decides to dedicate some of his/her time to improve content on the site, what sense does it make to downvote it afterwards? Furthermore, I personally often rush to the "edit" button when I see typos/bad formatting in order to prevent the authors from being downvoted. Bad grammar/formatting (including lowercase "i"s) are often seen as a lack of effort from the author's part, and tend to gather a higher rate of downvotes. | |
Aug 9, 2014 at 2:35 | comment | added | Infinite Recursion | As @Cupcake mentioned, the edit bumps up the questions to the front page of all users following the tag. Incomplete edits coupled with rude remarks scolding new users for not formatting properly makes these posts downvote magnets on the tag. It's not just your post, happens to all the posts that are edited without addressing all the issues in the posts. We come to answer the posts and after seeing all the mess, we leave. Possibly those who open the question after the bump - cast the downvote. Never make assumptions about who downvoted. | |
Aug 9, 2014 at 0:13 | comment | added | user456814 | "I got a negative on the question after your correction so I assumed it was you." I would like to point out that editing a post bumps it in the list of questions, so anyone could have seen your question after it was edited, and then decide to downvote it. You cannot assume that it was actually Neeku here who ended up downvoting it, even if it was right after she edited it, because that could legitimately be someone else. | |
Aug 8, 2014 at 18:10 | comment | added | Joe | I would have done the same as Cupcake, but what should have happened is the post then edited again to address that issue, not completely rolled back and the whole offsite email stuff | |
Aug 8, 2014 at 18:01 | comment | added | user456814 |
@BoltClock I agree. If I were making the edits, I would have edited the link to be Apache Cordova Facebook Plugin, since it looks better than https://github.com/Wizcorp/phonegap-facebook-plugin and this .
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Aug 8, 2014 at 17:49 | comment | added | Jason C | @Neo The fact that you were so angered that you felt the need to contact the user off-site, and to keep harassing them afterwards, suggests that perhaps you are identifying too closely with the issue here. You may wish to sit and reflect on your unusually high defensiveness and unusually strong reaction to these events; not so much to help your time on SO, but more to help you become a better person in general, as I suspect these attitudes may extend to other areas of your life. General happiness will improve after reflection. | |
Aug 8, 2014 at 16:18 | comment | added | BoltClock Mod | The one part of this that I agree with is the part about the bare URL. If you are going to replace a bare URL with arbitrary text, the least you could do is make the text descriptive. [this] is no better than [here], but far, far worse than [github.com/.../phonegap-facebook-plugin]. | |
Aug 8, 2014 at 16:02 | comment | added | Infinite Recursion | @FrédéricHamidi Yes, that explains the absence of the banner. Meta effect is indeed messy. | |
Aug 8, 2014 at 15:45 | comment | added | Frédéric Hamidi | @Infinite, it might be a question ban (there is no banner for these), given the flak this user's questions are currently taking. There are also pity upvotes that may reverse this. What a mess. | |
Aug 8, 2014 at 15:40 | history | edited | Sebastian Mach | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Aug 8, 2014 at 15:39 | comment | added | Infinite Recursion | Your profile doesn't show the banner which is displayed for suspended users. Are you sure that you have been banned? | |
Aug 8, 2014 at 15:35 | comment | added | Infinite Recursion | On this page, its good to downvote to show disagreement. Thats what downvotes are for on Meta site. That is not offensive. But Chris wrote suspension will occur "if they do it again, we will take it to the next level". | |
Aug 8, 2014 at 15:26 | comment | added | Neo | I did down vote her question on this page as I don't agree with it. I only saw Chris's post after. | |
Aug 8, 2014 at 15:20 | comment | added | Infinite Recursion | Chris wrote in his answer that you would be "suspended" if you repeat the behaviour. So on that basis ban should mean that there was repetition. | |
Aug 8, 2014 at 15:09 | comment | added | Infinite Recursion | Sorry for the downvotes, I disagree with the downvotes, but vigilantes become emotional and start upvoting/downvoting. Its known as meta effect. Some times it goes to such extent that mods have to lock posts to prevent voting. And as for the ban, as Jon Skeet said, it is related to SO, so ban is valid. You should have used on-site tools to remediate the edit. Thats the crux of the argument. You shouldn't write emails off-site. After the ban time expires, please never repeat such things again. | |
Aug 8, 2014 at 15:03 | comment | added | Infinite Recursion | As author of your posts, you can rollback every edit which you dont agree with. Click on "edited xyz mintes ago" on any post. The entire revision history will open for that post. On any previous version, click rollback. Simple. | |
Aug 8, 2014 at 14:53 | comment | added | Neo | It is not to everyone though. I've received a herd of negative down votes on my legacy posts. Then i've also been paraded with edit's on my legacy posts. Topped it all off with a Ban. Behaviour off site is behaviour off the site, it is not connected to Stack Overflow. | |
Aug 8, 2014 at 14:45 | comment | added | Jon Skeet | @Neo: If someone's behaviour off-site is directly and provably related to their on-site behaviour, I'd be fine with a ban in that situation. If a user decided to email abuse to everyone who edited their posts, then a ban would be entirely warranted, IMO. | |
Aug 8, 2014 at 14:17 | comment | added | Infinite Recursion | It is wrong to write such offensive emails. Nothing justifies rudeness as Jon Skeet said. If anything seems inappropiate on the site, please use flags, mods will handle the flags and remediate the issue. They are very helpful. The site provides all the proper tools - rollback, comment with @, flag. | |
Aug 8, 2014 at 14:12 | comment | added | Neo | Maybe we should start banning people for what they do off-site all the time then ! | |
Aug 8, 2014 at 14:08 | comment | added | Andrew Barber Mod | @Neo This question is not about the edits, really. You can argue whether the edit was appropriate or not (I think it was), but that's not what you did here: You went and harassed someone off-site. | |
Aug 8, 2014 at 14:00 | comment | added | Neo | I've deleted my initial question as its become a domain for abuse and negative votes. While I understand grammatical corrections are part of any public forum, I still stand that the corrections made were not relevant. Which is why I reverted the edit BUT it was edited again? The down vote was unjustified. Stack Overflow has become very elitist over the years, monopoly of votes and ego boasts. | |
Aug 8, 2014 at 13:24 | comment | added | brasofilo | Yes, there's need for edits when we find grammar, spelling and formatting problems in someone's post. These are improvements and should be taken as a learning opportunity. You're welcome ;) | |
Aug 8, 2014 at 13:20 | comment | added | user | Rolling back an edit that you disagree with on a post of your own does not involve e-mailing the user making the edit. | |
Aug 8, 2014 at 13:15 | comment | added | Martijn Pieters | @Bruno: Absolutely, the behaviour is inexcusable. As for rolling back grammar and spelling edits, what will happen is that others will come around and also try to apply the edits again, because that is how the site works. I recently came across someone who had 'social-political views' on using lowercase i instead of I in their posts and had a hard time keeping people from editing their posts. Better to inform such users that they might be fighting a losing battle here and reconsider posting here if this is so fundamental to their identity. | |
Aug 8, 2014 at 13:06 | comment | added | Bruno | @MartijnPieters to be fair, the initial author should always have the final say on how the edits turn out. Most askers are grateful for edits, because they often agree it improves their posts (especially in questions), but they shouldn't be prevented from rolling it back if they wish (this is similar to this question): we can still downvote or vote to close in this case. This being said, what Jon Skeet says is absolutely right: there's no excuse for offensive e-mails like this. | |
Aug 8, 2014 at 12:34 | comment | added | Jon Skeet | Even if the edit had been bad, and even if you couldn't have communicated via a comment, there is no excuse for that sort of email. And just because someone else has also been rude doesn't excuse you. | |
Aug 8, 2014 at 12:34 | comment | added | Martijn Pieters | Your question is not just there for you. Stack Overflow is a place to curate programming knowledge, and your post, if of good enough quality, has the potential to remain there for years. As such we edit posts for grammar and formatting. If this is a problem for you, then Stack Overflow is not a site for you. | |
Aug 8, 2014 at 12:23 | comment | added | Jonathan Drapeau | He's not only doing it wrong, he's wasting more time than the edit took just to rant about the edit ... good example when saying not to waste time. | |
Aug 8, 2014 at 12:23 | comment | added | Neo | guess I wasn't the only one. meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/261941/… | |
Aug 8, 2014 at 12:22 | comment | added | l4mpi | "I couldn't contact you directly on this" - you can @-reply to everyone in the revision history of a post. And if you care that much about a small edit to your question that you invest the time to even go looking for a mail address of the editor, you're doing it wrong. | |
Aug 8, 2014 at 12:15 | history | answered | Neo | CC BY-SA 3.0 |