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Jun 14, 2018 at 10:59 comment added Caleb @Mark Did you even read my post? I outline one of several scenarios I've encountered over the years where seemingly obvious malfeasance is actually legitimate. The trouble here is you and others sometimes assume there is no other option but foul play when reality is somewhat more complex and you don't have the tools to identify false positives.
Jun 12, 2018 at 11:00 comment added Mark Amery @Caleb - "you don't actually have a way of confirming if something is a true positive! You can't see extenuating conditions such as whether a post was listed in the supercolider " - nonsense. None of the cases that Banana listed involve a single post receiving lots of upvotes; they are all cases of otherwise low-rep users suddenly getting 10+ upvotes on different posts within 2 minutes. That is more than enough evidence to be sure that serial user-targeted voting is going on. If the votes are from different accounts and IPs, that just means it was unusually sophisticated malfeasance.
Dec 19, 2014 at 17:54 history edited Caleb CC BY-SA 3.0
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Aug 6, 2014 at 19:03 comment added Mason Wheeler @Banana: Caleb is well aware of the issues involved; he's a mod elsewhere on the SE network.
Aug 6, 2014 at 15:28 comment added dwitvliet @Caleb I can't. Mods can. As most (3 of 4) of the users I mentioned in my post already have received a reputation reversal because of mod attention (2 of them by user deletion), that IMO confirms that at least these users were true "obvious" positives.
Aug 6, 2014 at 15:27 comment added Reto Koradi Nobody gets strapped to a chair when serial upvoting is detected. Most definitely not the person receiving the votes, since they have nothing to do with it (unless it's a real case of fraud). All that happens is that the upvotes and corresponding rep go away.
Aug 6, 2014 at 15:16 comment added Caleb @Banana I think you missed part of the point of this post. You say «What surprises me is how many obvious true positives it actually does give», but you don't actually have a way of confirming if something is a true positive! You can't see extenuating conditions such as whether a post was listed in the supercolider or offsite or whether votes are actually from the same account(s) or ip(s). You simply have no way of confirming a positive hit and there are lots of ways you could have false positives.
Aug 6, 2014 at 14:57 comment added Ian Ringrose I have done the same with tabs in the past.
Aug 6, 2014 at 13:36 comment added dwitvliet I agree that this method undoubtedly will give a bunch of false positives - that's what I expected from something this simple and crude. What surprises me is how many obvious true positives it actually does give, when, as you say yourself, mod tools are far superior. Shouldn't these few obvious examples already have been caught?
Aug 6, 2014 at 10:11 history answered Caleb CC BY-SA 3.0