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Aug 3, 2014 at 2:02 comment added Michael Petrotta Have a great night, @BartoszKP!
Aug 3, 2014 at 2:00 comment added BartoszKP @MichaelPetrotta We're not talking about talking to someone in the office, we are not talking about whether I would say something to someone or not in an imaginary situation, and we're not talking about your assumptions in this matter. Hopefully next time we'll talk you'll learn to make relevant arguments.
Aug 3, 2014 at 1:53 comment added BartoszKP @JohnSaunders And there is never a reason to turn a blind eye to unfair accusations of sexism, racism, etc. I'm a bit tired, and really don't understand why I got into this kind of discussion on a supposedly programming site. Anyway, it's pointless. If you'd manage to convince me though, I could even view your answer as an example of excessive patriarchy - you obviously imply (or was it strongly suggest?) that "girls" aren't capable of defending themselves. Good night/day ;)
Aug 3, 2014 at 1:35 comment added John Saunders @BartoszKP: there is never a reason to turn a blind eye to sexism, racism, etc. It's very simple. In this case, the point was that IB is a useful way of making use of computers which were otherwise not being used "for useful work". Nothing further was required in order to make the point. The fact that there was further characterization strongly suggests that the characterization was being made part of the point. Solution: if that's not what the OP meant, then the characterization should have been removed.
Aug 3, 2014 at 1:34 comment added Michael Petrotta When you spy a female mention, in a professional setting, professional "boys" in the office, then say that the tools of their trade weren't being used for anything useful, then we'll talk, @BartoszKP.
Aug 3, 2014 at 1:32 comment added BartoszKP @JohnSaunders And also the reason to give some slack when interpreting peoples' words. Especially before imposing something as inelegant as sexism on them.
Aug 3, 2014 at 1:32 comment added John Saunders @BartoszKP: when it is not relevant to the point being made, please do omit the gender of those involved. In fact, omit everything that is not relevant to the point, or it will be presumed by your readers that you feel these things are relevant to your point.
Aug 3, 2014 at 1:29 comment added BartoszKP @MichaelPetrotta You all seem to be fond of overstatements and straw man arguments. I didn't say that OP is in jail. Nor the OP said that all females are incapable of using computers. The OP may not be aware of the implication, because it isn't there. Do you honestly think that when I happen to see some women not very good at a task I'm not allowed to express it? Must I quickly find at least one guy, that's also poor at it, to be relieved and say with solace that I saw people? When I see a group of men that can't handle something talking about it seems easier. Now, isn't that sexist? :|
Aug 3, 2014 at 1:29 comment added John Saunders @BartoszKP: the fact that different people understand subjective terms differently is a reason for the writers to write differently, not a reason for the readers to read differently.
Aug 3, 2014 at 1:11 comment added Michael Petrotta Nobody put the OP in jail, @BartoszKP. An editor (rightly, in my opinion) scrubbed an answer of a word that was creating a very strong sense of sexism. And frankly, this isn't a borderline case. The OP may not be aware of the implication, I won't guess, but it is absolutely there.
Aug 3, 2014 at 1:07 comment added BartoszKP I thought also that one may safely presume that adults understand that different people understand subjective terms very differently, and that premature judgement is not a nice thing to do.
Aug 3, 2014 at 0:59 comment added John Saunders @BartoszKP: unless the OP is a child, he should by now have experience in writing in a manner which does not lead readers to believe he is sexist. One may safely presume that adults do not write in a sexist manner unless they don't mind being read as being sexist.
Aug 3, 2014 at 0:56 comment added BartoszKP I would hope people would wait for the OP to clarify, before judging. There are many other possible scenarios, beside the one you've pointed out, where the post doesn't have any sexist connotations. Also, to reach your conclusion implication is required, because the OP didn't say exactly what you are saying here.
Aug 3, 2014 at 0:52 comment added John Saunders No implication was required. The plain meaning of the text, as written, and as interpreted by me, was that the OP chose to use the term "girls" instead of something neutral like "people" because he wished to associate the term "girls" with "people whose machines performed no useful work in the context". I would hope the OP could clarify whether this was his intention, or whether it just came out that way (maybe the only "guy" whose machine performed "no useful work"was out on vacation).
Aug 3, 2014 at 0:48 comment added BartoszKP True, but the fact that it did not improve the question/answer doesn't imply it was sexist.
Aug 3, 2014 at 0:47 comment added John Saunders It was not necessary to characterize those computers beyond saying that the computers were doing no useful work. It did not improve the question to indicate who the users of those computers were.
Aug 3, 2014 at 0:46 comment added BartoszKP He didn't associate "the concept of 'girls'", but these particular girls he was talking about. You don't know whether they were doing any useful work or not.
Aug 3, 2014 at 0:41 history answered John Saunders CC BY-SA 3.0