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Aug 4, 2014 at 10:52 comment added haneefmubarak Along the lines of closing this up, I'd like to thank @JaneS for actually being willing to discuss the topic. While in the end we both still appear to have a difference of opinion (which is perfectly fine), at least we both had the opportunity to voice our concerns and be heard. Thanks!
Aug 4, 2014 at 10:30 comment added Jane S @InfiniteRecursion True :) And I have a picture of myself in my profile, so I countered my own argument! So there! :)
Aug 4, 2014 at 10:26 comment added Infinite Recursion I am inspired by potatoes, unicorns, smurfs and lizard profiles :) As for being androgynous, I go around telling everyone on Meta that I am a she...hardly makes sense if someone is trying to hide due to sexism. @JaneS
Aug 4, 2014 at 9:51 comment added Jane S @InfiniteRecursion The sad thing is (which I know we've touched on before on a different thread) is that the sexism in this industry forces most of us to use androgynous user names (such as I was using and as you do) to avoid it. It frustrates me that we have to hide. :(
Aug 4, 2014 at 9:13 comment added BoltClock Mod @Infinite Recursion: By the way, I haven't had the opportunity to thank you for your clarification since my last comment on the question. So thanks :)
Aug 4, 2014 at 4:47 comment added haneefmubarak I don't believe so. To me, it just seems like a friendly smile. I've often interjected 'friendly smiles' into my conversations; it isn't necessarily condescending. Especially in chat... but I digress. The point is that that too, the smiley, could plausibly be innocent. As for intent, well, as my mother has always said, If you aren't a person, you cannot know what they are thinking. Only [a] god can do that. It honestly could have just been part of the storytelling. However, I do think that the OP would have been fine with someone removing their smiley as opposed to their words.
Aug 4, 2014 at 4:32 comment added Jane S @haneefmubarak I agree with you - when that is the case. But those two sentences with that condescending smiley have one meaning and one meaning only and no amount of trying to rationalise the use of the word "girls" in that context will convince me (and probably most other technical women) otherwise. It was unjustified and intentionally offensive, a nod to the boys on Stack Overflow about those silly women, you know how they are!
Aug 4, 2014 at 4:27 comment added haneefmubarak @intracept certainly. However, I tend to err on the side of giving people the benefit of the doubt. Doing otherwise is simply unkind. Yes, you may feel one way, but someone else may feel another way, and another feel yet a different way, and so on. I'm not saying it doesn't exist in the industry, I'm simply saying that censoring people for telling a story in the most descriptive way possible is unfair censorship, not reduction of discrimination. When there is a fair possibility that what someone has said could be taken in a non-negative manner, that's how one should take it.
Aug 4, 2014 at 3:17 comment added Jane S @haneefmubarak You clearly haven't worked as a highly technical female in a very male dominated environment. I read a story about a male with an androgynous sounding name who looking for work but was unable to even get offered an interview. He made one tiny change to his CV: he added "Mr" in front of his name. All of a sudden he was getting interviews. Same skill set, same experience. Sexism is very common in this industry.
Aug 4, 2014 at 3:07 comment added haneefmubarak @intracept Was it? I didn't take it that way. If you think about it, when you're telling someone a story IRL, you usually try to be as specific as possible. You want them to imagine the entire story as if they were there. I mean, you can certainly choose to take it negatively with a presumption of an implied negative bias, but I see no obvious bias in the text itself; I see only specificity. How you guys are taking this reminds me of this.
Aug 4, 2014 at 3:00 comment added Jane S The comment clearly implies that women (of any age) aren't as proficient on computers as men by condescendingly referring to them as "girls" with a wink. The context of those two sentences is intended to be demeaning to women using computers.
Aug 3, 2014 at 15:15 comment added haneefmubarak IDK, the nets isn't what I usually call IRL.
Aug 3, 2014 at 13:29 comment added Infinite Recursion Good, finally you encountered usage of gals IRL
Aug 3, 2014 at 13:26 comment added haneefmubarak @InfiniteRecursion not including this page, 3 for gals as opposed to 2 for ladies and 8 for girls, including a quote from an answer, ...need to teach the guy (or girl) half the language....
Aug 3, 2014 at 13:19 history edited bjb568 CC BY-SA 3.0
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Aug 3, 2014 at 13:16 comment added Infinite Recursion Gals on Meta
Aug 3, 2014 at 6:36 comment added haneefmubarak @wallyk I can honestly say I haven't ever heard anyone say gals IRL.
Aug 3, 2014 at 6:36 comment added haneefmubarak @InfiniteRecursion I was suggesting ladies as an answer.
Aug 3, 2014 at 2:15 comment added Infinite Recursion Staff and mods have diamonds ◆, so bold disclaimer is not required. Answers should address the question. Comments are second class citizens, never dedicate an answer to comment on comments :-)
Aug 3, 2014 at 0:29 comment added wallyk The analog of guys is gals, not girls. In formal contexts, girls means prepubescent female humans.
Aug 2, 2014 at 22:55 history edited haneefmubarak CC BY-SA 3.0
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Aug 2, 2014 at 22:55 comment added haneefmubarak Which is why I suggested ladies as an alternative solution.
Aug 2, 2014 at 21:14 comment added Patricia Shanahan The problem is that using the same word for children and adults in some group can make people, at least subconsciously, assume immaturity on the part of all members of the targeted group regardless of age.
Aug 2, 2014 at 19:34 history answered haneefmubarak CC BY-SA 3.0