Timeline for Can we remove vote lock-in?
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Apr 7, 2023 at 20:49 | comment | added | Kevin B | @MarcellPerger Presumably for the reason given by the person who added that tag, who also added an answer. | |
Apr 7, 2023 at 20:45 | comment | added | MarcellPerger | Does anyone know why this was declined? I would like to know what reason(s) was given for declining this. | |
Jul 21, 2022 at 15:52 | answer | added | daveloyall | timeline score: -5 | |
Jun 21, 2022 at 4:38 | answer | added | Tomer W | timeline score: -7 | |
Apr 28, 2021 at 17:02 | comment | added | Ordiel | Wow I came here to report this as an issue and I find this dumpster fire and worst no solution... this is ridiculous specially from those suggesting to come back later to alter my vote, because as you know "that is on the top of my list of priorities" <sarcasm>. I accidentally cast a vote on an undeserving answer and now I cannot take it back unless the answer is edited, ridiculous, I'll update the question just to undo my vote (just as mentioned here as a side effect) and add this link as the answer to the edit | |
Jan 18, 2021 at 2:54 | comment | added | Rúnar Berg | I downvoted a question on a mis-click when my phone was lagging (from a previous up-vote), and was unable to undo it. That question undeservedly lost two points because of this policy. | |
Jul 29, 2020 at 17:42 | answer | added | Magnus Lind Oxlund | timeline score: -12 | |
Nov 21, 2019 at 0:54 | answer | added | bhaller | timeline score: 30 | |
Nov 21, 2019 at 0:46 | comment | added | bhaller | I am amazed that this policy remains in force. This is the dumbest thing ever. It has bitten me twice today. People learn things, people change their minds – and they want to change their votes as a consequence. Preventing that, in an ineffective and quixotic attempt to prevent tactical downvoting, is totally counterproductive. Treat the disease, not the symptom. Surely it would be easy to allow, say, one vote change per day without breaking anything. Let people change their minds! This is my vote! | |
Aug 29, 2019 at 10:56 | comment | added | Bob | I downvoted something and then realised too late that it didn't deserve the down vote but now I can't remove it ; not a tactical down vote - a genuine error. Just lock accounts for people who are tactical-down-voting as detected by the system and verified by a moderator and let everyone else change their minds. | |
Jun 7, 2019 at 21:35 | comment | added | bob | I just got bit by this today, and after finding this answer found a way to take back my ill-advised upvote. So because of this feature, I spuriously edited an answer. I agree: please at least modify this feature to exclude upvotes from the lockout. | |
Jan 17, 2019 at 23:08 | history | rollback | RobMod |
Rollback to Revision 4
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Jan 17, 2019 at 20:08 | history | edited | Jeremy Banks | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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Mar 20, 2017 at 9:34 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
replaced http://meta.stackoverflow.com/ with https://meta.stackoverflow.com/
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Feb 3, 2017 at 4:20 | comment | added | endolith | @Viliami It's not even a feature. It's a bug that needs fixing. | |
Jan 8, 2017 at 11:28 | answer | added | Disillusioned | timeline score: 22 | |
Jan 2, 2017 at 2:36 | comment | added | Viliami | I still want this feature | |
Apr 23, 2015 at 23:20 | history | edited | Shog9 |
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Apr 23, 2015 at 23:18 | answer | added | Shog9 | timeline score: 54 | |
Apr 23, 2015 at 21:34 | answer | added | schodge | timeline score: 69 | |
Apr 10, 2015 at 12:13 | history | edited | gnat |
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Aug 6, 2014 at 10:59 | answer | added | Holger | timeline score: 135 | |
Jul 16, 2014 at 20:58 | answer | added | NoDataDumpNoContribution | timeline score: -20 | |
Jul 16, 2014 at 20:54 | comment | added | NoDataDumpNoContribution | There is no commitment anymore. People aren't behind an idea. Votes of today are mere possibilities. What was a clear Yes in the past is now nothing more than a Maybe. | |
Jul 16, 2014 at 19:39 | comment | added | Servy | @MasonWheeler Well if this feature is so inhibitive that people want to be reversing their votes constantly and that it's such a disruptive behavior then apparently mods would need to be looking at that information on a constant basis, something that they generally shouldn't be doing outside of very rare cases. | |
Jul 16, 2014 at 19:36 | comment | added | Servy | @MasonWheeler And then that mod can't tell the difference between whatever legitimate behaviors people want to be doing that are motivating them to repeal this behavior vs the abusive behaviors. Even a mod can't tell the difference between someone who likes to change their mind a lot and someone who's trying to abuse the system, which is why the behavior is prevented in the first place. | |
Jul 16, 2014 at 19:31 | comment | added | Mason Wheeler | @Servy: "Moderators aren't given access to detailed voting information for the sake of privacy." Without quibbling over the definition of "detailed," yes, actually mods are. As I said, I'm a mod on another SE site, and if I really wanted to get at your vote record (assuming you're on Christianity.SE) I could. There are hoops we have to jump through in order to do it, because even the mods are supposed to respect privacy, but the capability exists because it can be a very useful tool in establishing a pattern of voting fraud. | |
Jul 16, 2014 at 19:27 | comment | added | Mason Wheeler | @Servy: It's really not that difficult. We already know that the system tracks the time that each vote was cast. So look for cancellation (or even replacement with upvotes) of downvotes cast within X minutes of posting an answering to the same question. Unless the system doesn't record the cancellation of votes the same way it does the casting of votes, (and I'm pretty sure I've heard that it does, to track something else,) there's no reason it couldn't be done. Do it once, the system takes notice. Do it multiple times within a reasonably small period, it reports to the mods. | |
Jul 16, 2014 at 19:20 | comment | added | Servy |
@MasonWheeler "If "tactical downvoting" can be formally defined" That's a pretty big "if". Care to provide a formal definition based on information that is available to the system?
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Jul 16, 2014 at 19:11 | comment | added | Mason Wheeler | @BilltheLizard: If "tactical downvoting" can be formally defined, it can be detected with formal logic. That should be self-evident. It's just a question of getting the definition right, and of it being high enough of a priority for the team to implement. | |
Jul 16, 2014 at 19:08 | comment | added | Servy | @MasonWheeler Moderators aren't given access to detailed voting information for the sake of privacy. It would need to be automated for it to be an option. | |
Jul 16, 2014 at 19:06 | comment | added | Bill the Lizard Mod | If we can come up with an alternative solution to tactical downvoting (something like the serial vote fraud detection system), I'd be happy to see vote locks revisited as well. | |
Jul 16, 2014 at 19:04 | answer | added | CRABOLO | timeline score: -11 | |
Jul 16, 2014 at 19:04 | comment | added | Mason Wheeler | @Servy: I don't believe in automatically punishing anyone for anything, ever. But such a system could easily detect what appears to be a problem--and much more accurately than the current mechanism which casts far too broad a net for the problem it's supposedly solving--and flag it for moderator attention, so that a real human being with reasoning, intuition and judgment can handle it appropriately. | |
Jul 16, 2014 at 18:59 | comment | added | Servy | @MasonWheeler If you make the assertion that the automated behavior has a lot of false positives then wouldn't you think think that automatically punishing everyone who does that action would be just straight up worse than preventing people from performing that action? | |
Jul 16, 2014 at 18:56 | comment | added | Mason Wheeler | @BilltheLizard: ...you're right. I should have thought that through more. Even so, this is the wrong solution to the problem. SE already has automated detection mechanisms for all manner of other voting fraud issues. "Tactical downvoting" sounds like a clearly-definable pattern, so why not add it to the list? Measuring something other than what you're actually trying to detect always has harmful (and often counterproductive) side effects. | |
Jul 16, 2014 at 18:49 | comment | added | Bill the Lizard Mod | If you don't have the technical solution in place, who's going to flag the behavior? It will go undetected. | |
Jul 16, 2014 at 18:49 | comment | added | halfer | I'm somewhat in agreement - I've sometimes found myself giving an upvote to encourage a low-rep user to join the community, only to find that the post turns into endless-additional-questions and/or fix-it-for-me, at which point retracting the upvote sometimes is appropriate. | |
Jul 16, 2014 at 18:45 | comment | added | Mason Wheeler | @BilltheLizard: And if that happens, then the user can be flagged and someone like you or me or whoever's a mod on the site where it happens can use our mod powers to smack them around for it. I see no point in trying to use technical rules to solve social problems, especially when they create further problems for honest users. | |
Jul 16, 2014 at 18:42 | comment | added | Sam I am says Reinstate Monica | Some people just hate change | |
Jul 16, 2014 at 18:42 | comment | added | Bill the Lizard Mod | People were downvoting every competing answer to a question, then going back and removing their votes later. If you see someone edit all answers but their own, and a downvote is removed from your answer at the same time, it is trivial to figure out what happened. | |
Jul 16, 2014 at 18:41 | comment | added | ThisSuitIsBlackNot | Similar feature request on Meta SE: Don't lock upvotes | |
Jul 16, 2014 at 18:40 | answer | added | Sam I am says Reinstate Monica | timeline score: -6 | |
Jul 16, 2014 at 18:36 | comment | added | Mason Wheeler | @BilltheLizard: Don't be silly. All anyone can "trivially detect" is that someone made an edit, not the reason why. Users' voting records are kept secret, and even moderators have to do special stuff to gain access to them. I know; I'm a mod on another SE site. | |
Jul 16, 2014 at 18:23 | comment | added | Bill the Lizard Mod | Sure it can be trivially circumvented, but that circumvention is trivially detected by everyone. That makes it an effective deterrent. | |
Jul 16, 2014 at 18:19 | history | asked | Mason Wheeler | CC BY-SA 3.0 |