Timeline for Rename [sql-server] tag to [ms-sql-server]
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Jan 19, 2018 at 19:35 | comment | added | FLICKER | I disagree. I see many of these mix-up every day. why renaming the sql-server if so hard that you are resisting it? | |
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Jul 18, 2014 at 14:34 | comment | added | Ben | To sum up; 4 people with 12k total upvotes in the SQL tag are against this request. Everyone else who's against has less than 1k total. If you exclude GolzeTrol it's more like 300. The people who actually interact with the tag are against the change the people who don't are in favour... | |
Jul 16, 2014 at 12:06 | comment | added | JNK | @Deduplicator More like: Anyone who pays any attention to what they are doing when they apply tags has no issue with the current terminology. Anyone who DOES won't be helped by this change since they are already not paying attention. | |
Jul 15, 2014 at 21:23 | comment | added | Lamak | @Deduplicator sigh, you should read the post again if that's the summary you are getting | |
Jul 15, 2014 at 21:09 | comment | added | Deduplicator | So, summing up this post: The domain expert / pure microsoft guy has no trouble with his terminology, and if anyone else has; tough luck, somebody elses problem, I am right(tm). | |
Jul 15, 2014 at 20:12 | comment | added | Hannah Vernon | Renaming the tag for the sake of people who have no idea what they are talking about is neither necessary, expedient, nor helpful for anyone who actually does know. Whenever I see a MySQL question tagged with SQL Server I immediately downgrade my expectation of the OP, ask for clarification (educate the OP), and remove the errant tag. As for Wikipedia; really? | |
Jul 15, 2014 at 19:52 | comment | added | Bruno | Even Wikipedia doesn't help: "SQL Server may refer to: - Any database server that implements the Structured Query Language, - Microsoft SQL Server, a relational database server from Microsoft, [...]". I'm certainly not saying Wikipedia or other sources are right, I'm just saying that it's legitimate to expect some askers to be confused. | |
Jul 15, 2014 at 19:49 | comment | added | Bruno |
(...cont'd...) The only purpose of that tag-rename is to have fewer questions on the sql-server tag that are in fact related to other RDBMS. Remember that those who initially tag are the askers, who don't necessarily have a complete picture of the field (and it's not like terminology is always clear and consistent, I mean "schema", "instance", "database", "cluster", can mean different things with different RDBMS).
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Jul 15, 2014 at 19:47 | comment | added | Bruno |
@Lamak, there's surely fewer people who'd make that confusion. All I'm saying is that people who know what they're talking about will only use sql-server for the MS product. However, for people who don't quite know the database world (and many askers will be in that category, without being stupid), it's quite easy to get confused (as I said above "MySQL is a [...] SQL database server" is a package description). It's quite easy to drop the "database" word from there, especially when you're not aware of "MS" SQL Server. (...)
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Jul 15, 2014 at 15:30 | comment | added | Lamak | @Bruno Well, then we also need to think on the guys that will see the microsoft-sql-server tag and think "well, I'm using MySQL in windows, so it's a sql server from microsoft". I think that the tag rename will be useless in almost every way | |
Jul 15, 2014 at 15:26 | comment | added | swasheck | a tooth is much more prized than a diamond | |
Jul 15, 2014 at 15:26 | comment | added | Bruno | @Lamak, as I was saying earlier, all the people I know who use "MS SQL Server" refer to it as "SQL Server" (I think we'd agree on that), the problem is that there's also a completely different group of people who've only ever used MySQL for example, and who've never had much exposure to "SQL Server" who use "SQL server" more loosely. They're not necessarily idiots who haven't research enough, they've just stayed in their MySQL environment without realising this terminology issue at all. This is what a tag rename would help with. | |
Jul 15, 2014 at 15:18 | comment | added | Bruno |
"MySQL and Postgres are RDBMS, not servers. The server is the box or VM that the database instance lives on." Hum... not really, "server" can either mean the box or the software that's listening to client connections. Package names and descriptions (e.g. mysql-server : "MySQL is a fast, stable and true multi-user, multi-threaded SQL database server.") can lead to confusion.
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Jul 15, 2014 at 15:16 | comment | added | Lamak | @Bruno I doubt it. A good question by a user that made the slightest effort or research will know the relevant technology involved | |
Jul 15, 2014 at 15:13 | comment | added | Bruno | I'm not disagreeing with you when you talk about people who know what they're talking about. I'm saying some developers who are not necessarily idiots, but who are not in the field and trying to learn by asking questions, would make this sort of mistake when tagging their questions on SO, even if it's otherwise a good question. | |
Jul 15, 2014 at 15:11 | comment | added | user847990 | The term "SQL Server" is coined and trademarked by Microsoft. I have never spoken with or chatted with anyone that while talking about other DBMS referenced them as "SQL server". | |
Jul 15, 2014 at 15:08 | comment | added | ypercubeᵀᴹ | @Bruno I don't think so that people who use Postgres or MySQL or Oracle refer to their server as "SQL Server". Sometimes they may refer to them as "sql server" but when writing to a SO site, the serious users or database professionals know better that "SQL-Server" means the "Microsoft SQL-Server" product. | |
Jul 15, 2014 at 15:08 | comment | added | JNK | MySQL and Postgres are RDBMS, not servers. The server is the box or VM that the database instance lives on. The product is called "SQL Server". Do we have "MS-CSharp" or "MS-ASP.NET" tags or is the company inferred from the product name? You're advocating solving the wrong problem here, which is that the people who ask these questions and incorrectly tag them do not pay attention to what they are doing. | |
Jul 15, 2014 at 15:07 | comment | added | Lamak | @Bruno Why do you keep saying that MySQL or Postgresql are "SQL Servers"?, they are not, they are "relational database management systems". And one of them is SQL Server (which is from Microsoft) | |
Jul 15, 2014 at 15:05 | comment | added | Bruno | Ah, yes, so we agree, people who deal with "MS SQL Server" only very rarely call it anything else than "SQL Server". The problem is that people who use other types of SQL servers (MySQL, PostgreSQL, ...) refer to them as their "SQL servers", since it's a more generic term. If when you start typing the tag "sql-server" it autosuggests "ms-sql-server" or "microsoft-sql-server", those who really mean "MS SQL Server" would obviously find what they know and need, those who meant it in a non-specific way would have to re-think. Better clarify for both parties. | |
Jul 15, 2014 at 15:00 | comment | added | JNK | @Bruno they won't, that's the problem. Believe me I deal with this a lot and have had to think about it a great deal. Additionally, very few people who deal with SQL Server professionally ever call it "MS SQL Server", it's just "SQL Server" so you are essentially advocating irritating/frustrating/confusing domain experts in favor of catering to a class of askers who by definition are extremely careless and pay little attention to what they are doing. | |
Jul 15, 2014 at 14:55 | comment | added | Bruno |
It's in the name, you have to type it... Especially is sql-server is blacklisted, they'll have to think about what they mean by "SQL [sS]server".
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Jul 15, 2014 at 14:51 | comment | added | JNK |
@Bruno What makes you think they will pay more attention to ms- than they would to the word Microsoft directly below the tag? The point is, they aren't paying attention at all.
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Jul 15, 2014 at 14:48 | comment | added | Bruno | I actually doubt that the people making those mistakes necessarily pay attention to the small prints under the tag, unfortunately. Making the tag name more explicit would probably help. | |
Jul 15, 2014 at 12:48 | history | answered | JNK | CC BY-SA 3.0 |