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No, Stack Overflow is not turning into an elitist club. That is what happens in other communities where controls & heuristic logic is not deployed at all. Where people run rampant posting, trolls take root & fiefdoms gain hold. The benefit of Stack Overflow is the the controls in place are quite difficult to game at best, and the punishment for gaming the system is exclusion. Meaning all of the wretched behavior that destroys other online communities is public, well monitored & well patrolled.

The benefit Stack Overflow has is that the amount of users is so high that any claim of elitism is really baseless. And while I do not have a solid view of turnover, but my guess is the majority of people who come here come & go in bursts. Some people take root, but are quickly checked by others… And so on… And so on…

No, Stack Overflow is not turning into an elitist club. That is what happens in other communities where controls & heuristic logic is not deployed at all. Where people run rampant posting, trolls take root & fiefdoms gain hold. The benefit of Stack Overflow is the the controls in place are quite difficult to game at best, and the punishment for gaming the system is exclusion. Meaning all of the wretched behavior that destroys other online communities is public, well monitored & well patrolled.

The benefit Stack Overflow has is the amount of users is so high any claim of elitism is really baseless. And while I do not have a solid view of turnover, but my guess is the majority of people who come here come & go in bursts. Some people take root, but are quickly checked by others… And so on… And so on…

No, Stack Overflow is not turning into an elitist club. That is what happens in other communities where controls & heuristic logic is not deployed at all. Where people run rampant posting, trolls take root & fiefdoms gain hold. The benefit of Stack Overflow is the controls in place are quite difficult to game at best, and the punishment for gaming the system is exclusion. Meaning all of the wretched behavior that destroys other online communities is public, well monitored & well patrolled.

The benefit Stack Overflow has is that the amount of users is so high that any claim of elitism is really baseless. And while I do not have a solid view of turnover, my guess is the majority of people who come here come & go in bursts. Some people take root, but are quickly checked by others… And so on… And so on…

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EDIT: Original poster added this:

I'm asking for a little bit of introspection here. Are we turning into an elitist club?

No, Stack Overflow is not turning into an elitist club. That is what happens in other communities where controls & heuristic logic is not deployed at all. Where people run rampant posting, trolls take root & fiefdoms gain hold. The benefit of Stack Overflow is the the controls in place are quite difficult to game at best, and the punishment for gaming the system is exclusion. Meaning all of the wretched behavior that destroys other online communities is public, well monitored & well patrolled.

I will say that sometimes the smaller satellite sites do seem quite cliquish. And I find that off-putting. But unclear what the solution to a small community with limited controls is in a case like that.

The benefit Stack Overflow has is the amount of users is so high any claim of elitism is really baseless. And while I do not have a solid view of turnover, but my guess is the majority of people who come here come & go in bursts. Some people take root, but are quickly checked by others… And so on… And so on…

I’ve seen sites & communities grow, evolve & devolve over time. I believe that while Stack Overflow has flaws, nothing is perfect and this is tons better than other sites that shall go nameless.

EDIT: Original poster added this:

I'm asking for a little bit of introspection here. Are we turning into an elitist club?

No, Stack Overflow is not turning into an elitist club. That is what happens in other communities where controls & heuristic logic is not deployed at all. Where people run rampant posting, trolls take root & fiefdoms gain hold. The benefit of Stack Overflow is the the controls in place are quite difficult to game at best, and the punishment for gaming the system is exclusion. Meaning all of the wretched behavior that destroys other online communities is public, well monitored & well patrolled.

I will say that sometimes the smaller satellite sites do seem quite cliquish. And I find that off-putting. But unclear what the solution to a small community with limited controls is in a case like that.

The benefit Stack Overflow has is the amount of users is so high any claim of elitism is really baseless. And while I do not have a solid view of turnover, but my guess is the majority of people who come here come & go in bursts. Some people take root, but are quickly checked by others… And so on… And so on…

I’ve seen sites & communities grow, evolve & devolve over time. I believe that while Stack Overflow has flaws, nothing is perfect and this is tons better than other sites that shall go nameless.

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I don’t think Stack Overflow is elitist because the network allows anyone to join, post a question, edit, comment & even answer a question. So where does the “elitism” claim come from? You ask me it comes from a lack of common & basic human humility on the part of anyone saying this place is “elitist.”

For example, people who constantly grovel in questions saying, “Hey guys! I like this place! I am a noob, so please be nice! :-).” People like that will always see anyone/everyone as elitist. You know why? I have been doing tech work professionally for 20+ years and have been into computers for about 30 years. And whenever someone prefaces a question with that kind of “blow softening” B.S., they have no idea what they are talking about. Meaning, they usually do not have a question they want answered, but rather they want someone else to do the work for them.

I mean, let’s take this out of the tech context: If I have a broken car & I go into a repair shop yammering incessantly and apologizing about not being a mechanic, what does that add up to? I would sound like an idiot. In contrast if I come to a mechanic & clearly state, “Look, the car is not working. It doesn’t do this, that or the other. I think it’s this, but would like to know what you think?” I will come off as more sane, rational, reasonable & humble.

The reality is many of the posters—and non-posters—who claim this place is elitist really has no clue. You want to know what elitist is? Pretty much all off the bulletin boards out there that require membership—even if it’s free—just to read content, let alongalone participate. I remember one great Macintosh board from back in the late 1990s that turned to crap & finally disappeared when the site owner got sick of it. You know what the posters of that site did? They brilliantly created a “secret” member’s only BBS that only a select few had access to. And why? And for what reason?

Claims about any community as open as the Stack Exchange sites being elitist mix up “elitism” with “quality.” Is it elitist to correct spelling or formatting? Or perhaps ask for code samples when someone posts as “Hey, this thing doesn’t work, what should I do?” question? Hell no. This place is a volunteer effort. All that is asked for is a simple, basic level of human participation. And if it alienates the vast majority of mouth-breathers who can’t even do basic Google searches, great.

This place is not about elitism. It’s about quality. Don’t like it? Start some board somewhere else & see how easy and “egalitarian” you can be.

I don’t think Stack Overflow is elitist because the network allows anyone to join, post a question, edit, comment & even answer a question. So where does the “elitism” claim come from? You ask me it comes from a lack of common & basic human humility on the part of anyone saying this place is “elitist.”

For example, people who constantly grovel in questions saying, “Hey guys! I like this place! I am a noob, so please be nice! :-).” People like that will always see anyone/everyone as elitist. You know why? I have been doing tech work professionally for 20+ years and have been into computers for about 30 years. And whenever someone prefaces a question with that kind of “blow softening” B.S., they have no idea what they are talking about. Meaning, they usually do not have a question they want answered, but rather they want someone else to do the work for them.

I mean, let’s take this out of the tech context: If I have a broken car & I go into a repair shop yammering incessantly and apologizing about not being a mechanic, what does that add up to? I would sound like an idiot. In contrast if I come to a mechanic & clearly state, “Look, the car is not working. It doesn’t do this, that or the other. I think it’s this, but would like to know what you think?” I will come off as more sane, rational, reasonable & humble.

The reality is many of the posters—and non-posters—who claim this place is elitist really has no clue. You want to know what elitist is? Pretty much all off the bulletin boards out there that require membership—even if it’s free—just to read content, let along participate. I remember one great Macintosh board from back in the late 1990s that turned to crap & finally disappeared when the site owner got sick of it. You know what the posters of that site did? They brilliantly created a “secret” member’s only BBS that only a select few had access to. And why? And for what reason?

Claims about any community as open as the Stack Exchange sites being elitist mix up “elitism” with “quality.” Is it elitist to correct spelling or formatting? Or perhaps ask for code samples when someone posts as “Hey, this thing doesn’t work, what should I do?” question? Hell no. This place is a volunteer effort. All that is asked for is a simple, basic level of human participation. And if it alienates the vast majority of mouth-breathers who can’t even do basic Google searches, great.

This place is not about elitism. It’s about quality. Don’t like it? Start some board somewhere else & see how easy and “egalitarian” you can be.

I don’t think Stack Overflow is elitist because the network allows anyone to join, post a question, edit, comment & even answer a question. So where does the “elitism” claim come from? You ask me it comes from a lack of common & basic human humility on the part of anyone saying this place is “elitist.”

For example, people who constantly grovel in questions saying, “Hey guys! I like this place! I am a noob, so please be nice! :-).” People like that will always see anyone/everyone as elitist. You know why? I have been doing tech work professionally for 20+ years and have been into computers for about 30 years. And whenever someone prefaces a question with that kind of “blow softening” B.S., they have no idea what they are talking about. Meaning, they usually do not have a question they want answered, but rather they want someone else to do the work for them.

I mean, let’s take this out of the tech context: If I have a broken car & I go into a repair shop yammering incessantly and apologizing about not being a mechanic, what does that add up to? I would sound like an idiot. In contrast if I come to a mechanic & clearly state, “Look, the car is not working. It doesn’t do this, that or the other. I think it’s this, but would like to know what you think?” I will come off as more sane, rational, reasonable & humble.

The reality is many of the posters—and non-posters—who claim this place is elitist really has no clue. You want to know what elitist is? Pretty much all off the bulletin boards out there that require membership—even if it’s free—just to read content, let alone participate. I remember one great Macintosh board from back in the late 1990s that turned to crap & finally disappeared when the site owner got sick of it. You know what the posters of that site did? They brilliantly created a “secret” member’s only BBS that only a select few had access to. And why? And for what reason?

Claims about any community as open as the Stack Exchange sites being elitist mix up “elitism” with “quality.” Is it elitist to correct spelling or formatting? Or perhaps ask for code samples when someone posts as “Hey, this thing doesn’t work, what should I do?” question? Hell no. This place is a volunteer effort. All that is asked for is a simple, basic level of human participation. And if it alienates the vast majority of mouth-breathers who can’t even do basic Google searches, great.

This place is not about elitism. It’s about quality. Don’t like it? Start some board somewhere else & see how easy and “egalitarian” you can be.

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