Timeline for Non-native English speakers and asking a bilingual question
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Apr 13, 2017 at 12:59 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
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Jul 7, 2014 at 4:10 | comment | added | Alexey Kamenskiy | @Trilarion produce != design/develop. It is "produce" as in stand by assembly line and do all the cheap jobs. | |
Jul 4, 2014 at 10:55 | comment | added | NoDataDumpNoContribution | @AlexKey Somehow I'm a bit surprised to hear about the backward state of chinese IT. I always thought since they produce all the IPhones and all the other hardware (with Taiwan and Korea ...) they should also have huge capabilities for programming and literally millions of programmers. But it seems they aren't yet there. | |
Jul 2, 2014 at 12:22 | comment | added | cyborg | Pretty much the hyroglyphic type language sets present a big problem for non-speakers. The major advantage of the Latin character set is that even as a non-speaker of many European languages I can at least recognise some similarities between them, common root words etc... I haven't got a chance with the character sets of Japanese and Chinese languages for example. Also English will happily sleep around with other langauges and pick up whatever it likes from them. Its flexibility, lower barrier to entry, prevelance and adaptability make it ideal as a lingua franca - now a native English phrase. | |
Jul 2, 2014 at 12:11 | comment | added | deceze Mod | @Trilarion Contd. China on the other hand is not exactly "sharing" a ton of its culture as the USA is with the rest of the world, so few people are exposed to its language. Additionally, there's no basis for Hanzi (the writing system) in the West, so there's a huge barrier to entry. In order to learn a Hanzi based language, you pretty much have to be immersed in it 24/7 to retain all those characters. It's very very hard to learn with just a few hours per week in school. Not to mention the tone based pronunciation, which is an unknown concept in the West as well. Just too many hurdles here. | |
Jul 2, 2014 at 12:09 | comment | added | deceze Mod | @Trilarion It's unlikely that Chinese will become a lingua franca anytime soon. Those things evolve not by them being declared so, but because of cultural influence. English has arguably "won" because the whole world has been subjected to American culture for the better part of the last century, and because of the economical success America had. Before that it used to be French and to some extend German. | |
Jul 2, 2014 at 9:17 | comment | added | Alexey Kamenskiy |
@Trilarion as off-topic - although I am not Chinese, I live and work in Shanghai, China. Their IT community is already very isolated due to low penetration of English language. But that doesn't mean they have great IT community. Because of that isolation, they still stuck in 90s (IT wise). For example their online banking while exists always require very old versions of IE (doesn't work in other browsers) which creates lots of problems for tech savvy people. My point is that such isolation isn't good for growth, and 2ndary point - Chinese can't be lingua franca because it is hard to learn...
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Jul 2, 2014 at 8:13 | comment | added | NoDataDumpNoContribution | In the end everyone is free to try to create his/her own community in any desired language but the interest will be low. Only about English as only lingua franca I'm not convinced. I guess Chinese could become a second one if they wanted it. Just imagine they would start a Chinese SO (or a Spanish or an Arabic) and there would be better answers than here. Some people might be driven to learn more Chinese (or Spanish or Arabic) because of this. So I'm not 100% convinced that there can be only one lingua franca. There may be more. But I completely agree about the barriers. | |
Jul 2, 2014 at 6:41 | history | answered | Alexey Kamenskiy | CC BY-SA 3.0 |