Timeline for Is Stack Overflow violating its Creative Commons license by closing questions?
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Jul 3, 2014 at 18:36 | comment | added | jinglesthula | @SteveJessop ah - gotcha. Sorry about that :) | |
Jul 3, 2014 at 7:44 | comment | added | Steve Jessop | @jinglesthula: ah, I see what you mean. Yes, SO no longer has to provide attribution. Sorry, I thought you were responding to what I was saying about further distributors providing attribution in the form of the link. | |
Jul 2, 2014 at 15:56 | comment | added | jinglesthula | @SteveJessop My point is that when the question is deleted, SO is no longer publishing, providing, or supplying the work. There is no longer anything to provide attribution for. SO at that point is not bound by the license any more than any other entity which is also not publishing, providing, or supplying the work. Before the question is deleted, of course they are bound, and the link both works and serves well for attribution. | |
Jul 2, 2014 at 15:44 | comment | added | Steve Jessop | ... of course that still doesn't mean SO is violating the license, but it might mean that someone who continues distributing once SO has deleted the question is violating the license, unless they took their own copy of the edit history to distribute with the content. Lawyer needed. | |
Jul 2, 2014 at 15:41 | comment | added | Steve Jessop | ... I've just realised there's a further physical impediment, actually. The "author" of a question or answer (who licensed SO to distribute it) might be more than one person, and only the edit history reveals all substantial edits. So once the question is deleted it might no longer be possible to credit all authors (which linking to the question does since the history is available that way). Tricky one -- if you didn't grab the history when you grabbed the content then you have no way of knowing whether you've identified all the authors of something that has been edited. | |
Jul 2, 2014 at 15:40 | comment | added | Steve Jessop | @jinglesthula: "attribution is no longer required either" -- I don't think that's correct. The license requires attribution, that's the "BY" part. Since the content includes author usernames, and furthermore since SO itself claims authorship as a compiler of separate works, the best form of attribution is to link to the question, which in turn links to the individual author pages where they're identified if they wish to be. But if SO takes down the question you're still obliged by the license to attribute to the authors and to SO. You'll just have to find another way to do it. | |
Jul 2, 2014 at 15:19 | comment | added | jinglesthula | @gnat I am being perplexed about you being surprised about Andrew Barber being fascinated :D But seriously, about the link providing attribution. If you delete the question, you're no longer providing it, so attribution is no longer required either. That seems pretty straightforward. Resupplying a contributed work once does not obligate you to resupply it indefinitely. I think that's the crux of the whole issue. | |
Jul 2, 2014 at 4:59 | comment | added | Dev Kanchen | I am sorry I was trying to avoid a flame war but these posts are just picking a nerve about a pet peeve of mine. This happens way too often on the internet and even in general that "free speech" is used as a firewall to defend absolutely anything. People are entitled to their opinions and the right to express them, but these opinions have to be expressed in REASON and not as judgemental sound-bytes. "Do you think in one way now, and in another next minute?" is a judgemental sound-byte and @VividD that is unacceptable in any circumstances. | |
Jul 2, 2014 at 4:31 | comment | added | Dev Kanchen | @jt0dd sometimes there just aren't enough +1's. :) | |
Jul 2, 2014 at 3:40 | comment | added | user2700923 | @VividD Being slightly humorous about the matter, I must say: Being that your negativity towards this user was obvious at first, I am slightly perturbed that you seem to be claiming to be one of this user's "real friends", by not always talking nicely to him. Or perhaps, I'm just Being overly complicated. | |
Jul 1, 2014 at 17:48 | comment | added | Andrew Barber Mod | I am fascinated by your surprise, @gnat. It strikes me that while certain people are likely to be surprised, others may or may not themselves be surprised. Additionally, we may see cases where some are fascinated by this, and others not. In all cases, individuals should decide what they believe their best course of action is, and seek qualified, legal advice regarding it before proceeding. However, they should not necessarily trust this advice, because... <GAK>... | |
Jul 1, 2014 at 6:01 | comment | added | gnat | @AndrewBarber I am being surprised about you being fascinated | |
Jul 1, 2014 at 2:43 | comment | added | Andrew Barber Mod | The comments above fascinate me far more than they should... | |
Jul 1, 2014 at 1:56 | comment | added | Steve Jessop | But as a straight answer to your second question: since I'm considering one hypothetical and then another, to that extent only I think one way now, and another way the next minute :-) The person who made the comment might be legally confused or might be knowingly making up rubbish in the hope of creating legal confusion. | |
Jul 1, 2014 at 1:55 | comment | added | VividD | All right then. The real friend is not the one who always talks nicely to you. | |
Jul 1, 2014 at 1:53 | comment | added | Steve Jessop | @VividD: of course I don't have a problem with it, although naturally I will sometimes respond to such expressions of dislike. | |
Jul 1, 2014 at 1:51 | comment | added | VividD | I understood your idiom, but reserve my right to like or not like your answer/comment/opinion/style/substance, and reserve my right to say so. Do you have a problem with that? | |
Jul 1, 2014 at 1:46 | history | edited | Steve Jessop | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Jul 1, 2014 at 1:42 | comment | added | Steve Jessop | @VividD: I do not know what is in the mind of the person who wrote this comment. I am a rational being, capable of considering hypotheticals. "Being generous" is just an idiom that means "in the hypothetical case that the questioner is somewhat admirable". If you dislike my rhetorical structure then that's unfortunate, but since the question is not, "what is in the mind of the person who wrote this", I don't feel obliged to stick to only one possibility. | |
Jul 1, 2014 at 1:41 | comment | added | VividD | I do not like your structure "being-being-being". Why can't you give a straight answer? Do you think in one way now, and in another next minute? | |
Jul 1, 2014 at 1:34 | history | answered | Steve Jessop | CC BY-SA 3.0 |