Timeline for Do we need a close reason for zero-effort questions?
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Jul 1, 2022 at 11:49 | comment | added | Karl Knechtel | "If someone asks, "How do I do X?" and I know how to do X, do I care (beyond perhaps hope for some TDWTF-style amusement) what abortive attempts they've made that've failed to produce results?" It depends what X is. If X is truly simple and straightforward, sure, we should just write something. If X can be logically broken down into two or more steps (even if it's a one-liner to do all of those steps!), the point of asking what OP tried is to diagnose OP's understanding of X - in particular, how it decomposes, and what parts OP actually needs help with. IOW, it's a hint at "too broad". | |
Jul 1, 2022 at 11:45 | comment | added | Karl Knechtel | "Questions asking for homework help must include a summary of the work you've done so far to solve the problem, and a description of the difficulty you are having solving it." -- Straight out of stackoverflow.com/help/on-topic, item 4" 8 years later (it probably happened a while ago, really): this is no longer there. | |
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Sep 13, 2016 at 21:50 | comment | added | Shog9 |
Does it matter, @Tim? If someone asks, "How do I do X?" and I know how to do X, do I care (beyond perhaps hope for some TDWTF-style amusement) what abortive attempts they've made that've failed to produce results? If I, too, want to know how to do X, does clogging the page with non-working examples benefit me? In both cases, isn't this just noise? I'd like to see research effort documented, mostly to save me wasting time on an answer that'd already been tried... But I've long ago had my fill of int main() { /* magic happens here */ return EXIT_FAILURE; } by way of "what have you tried".
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Sep 13, 2016 at 8:07 | comment | added | Tim Schmelter | If people don't show their attempts to solve their requirement/issue, why is it subjective to say that they didn't make an effort? They are free to fix their questions by providing what they have tried. Until then OP's are just asking us to do their work. We could close because of "why isn't this code working", because it contains "doesn't include shortest code necessary to reproduce..". But that's not applicable in most cases because OP has not even mentioned a problem. He's just asking us to give him the solution to his requirement. I'm missing the "SO is not a code-writing service". | |
Aug 19, 2014 at 13:36 | comment | added | user247702 | @Shog9 do you think this could added to the faq? I frequent Meta and somehow missed this important discussion. | |
Jun 26, 2014 at 22:25 | vote | accept | Lev Levitsky | ||
Jun 18, 2014 at 17:16 | comment | added | Shog9 | Like I said, this would probably be better as a separate discussion, @Lev. The short answer though is that a raw assignment is not necessarily a question, but sometimes questions are assigned. | |
Jun 18, 2014 at 17:09 | comment | added | Lev Levitsky | @Shog9 You probably see much further than I do, can you please clarify the difference between the questions we have in mind? Up to now I haven't noticed it. Your answers seem to be to the point and helpful. But the "unclear" close reason doesn't satisfy me because it is not specific enough and doesn't convey the message that a question is sometimes not a question at all. | |
Jun 18, 2014 at 16:53 | comment | added | Robert Harvey Mod | @LevLevitsky: It is a real challenge to make close reasons that are both applicable to a wide variety of use cases, and specific enough to have clearly actionable advice. That's why custom close reasons are allowed. | |
Jun 18, 2014 at 16:52 | comment | added | Lev Levitsky | @RobertHarvey I like it. I will probably use it. But maybe if a custom reason is often applicable, it should be made a non-custom one. | |
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Jun 18, 2014 at 16:50 | comment | added | Shog9 | I think we may have reached the point where you have a rather different question in mind than I do, @Lev. Might want to start a new discussion with specific examples. | |
Jun 18, 2014 at 16:41 | comment | added | Robert Harvey Mod | @LevLevitsky: "This question appears to be off-topic because it is a copy/paste of a homework assignment. Questions asking for homework help must include a summary of the work you've done so far to solve the problem, and a description of the difficulty you are having solving it." -- Straight out of stackoverflow.com/help/on-topic, item 4. | |
Jun 18, 2014 at 16:30 | comment | added | Lev Levitsky | OK. But they will never get what it means in application to their question. From this discussion I feel like we need "not a real question" back. | |
Jun 18, 2014 at 16:05 | comment | added | Shog9 | "Please clarify your specific problem or add additional details to highlight exactly what you need. As it's currently written, it’s hard to tell exactly what you're asking. See the How to Ask page for help clarifying this question." @Lev | |
Jun 18, 2014 at 15:55 | comment | added | Lev Levitsky | "Assignment dump is not a question" is very close to what I am saying in the question. But 1) what is the close reason for that? 2) Does this close reason convey the right message to the poster? | |
Jun 18, 2014 at 15:35 | comment | added | Shog9 | I'm not gonna sidetrack this discussion since this has been discussed ad nauseam in the past, but... Homework/assignment questions are fine, but they need to be held to the same standards as any other question. If they're clear, specific and reasonably-scoped then don't begrudge someone asking them; if they're not, then close them. | |
Jun 18, 2014 at 15:34 | comment | added | Shog9 | Why does everyone hate regex questions? That's a separate discussion. | |
Jun 18, 2014 at 15:32 | comment | added | John Dvorak | What about "gimme teh regex"? I'm not sure we have a canonical for password regexes | |
Jun 18, 2014 at 15:30 | comment | added | Shog9 | An "assignment dump" is not a question, @Lev. Either you have a clear question about an assignment, or.... | |
Jun 18, 2014 at 15:27 | comment | added | Lev Levitsky | What about school assignment dumps? They are clear. Too localized, in old terms. Don't show understanding either. Just not close them anymore? | |
Jun 18, 2014 at 15:23 | comment | added | Shog9 | The beauty of this, @Lev, is that questions without a clear, searchable problem statement can be closed as "unclear what you're asking". | |
Jun 18, 2014 at 15:19 | comment | added | Lev Levitsky | Are questions with no research effort really all duplicates? Sometimes they are answered in the docs, or something else. Besides, finding duplicates for extremely bad questions takes much effort with little gain for the community. | |
Jun 18, 2014 at 14:52 | history | answered | Shog9 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |