Timeline for Close vote superpowers for other badges in low volume tags
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Jun 14, 2014 at 12:56 | comment | added | Lightness Races in Orbit | @DimitriM: It's more like 99% of the people can neither see nor smell it. :) | |
Jun 14, 2014 at 9:00 | comment | added | Dimitri Mestdagh | I understand your point, but isn't this topic a request to enlarge the scope of the hammer to lower volume tags as well? I mean, there's a lot of garbage at these tags as well, but nobody ever looks at it and the people who look at it are unable to close it due to the 5 people thingy. It's like garbage under your bed, 99% of the people doesn't see it, but it's there and it smells. | |
Jun 13, 2014 at 16:26 | comment | added | Lightness Races in Orbit | @JoshuaTaylor: Don't get me wrong; I understand why you want this and why it might seem unfair that you don't already have it. | |
Jun 13, 2014 at 16:24 | comment | added | Joshua Taylor | @LightnessRacesinOrbit I do think that you make a very good point about "The whole point of the mighty hammer is to stem the tide of crap in high-volume tags," in that low-traffic tags don't have as high a craptide as high traffic tags, but just like there is proportionately less crap, there are proportionately fewer close votes to clean it up, so it sticks around longer. In high traffic tags, the crap moves quickly, but there's still too much. In low traffic tags, there's too much, but it's stagnant. If not a mighty hammer, we need some Augean shovels. | |
Jun 13, 2014 at 16:22 | comment | added | Joshua Taylor | @LightnessRacesinOrbit Well, not of all despotic powers, I suppose. I just want to be able to clean up duplicates quickly, because in these low traffic tags, there aren't presently enough close votes to get the job done quickly. Based on lots of other comments around here, it sounds like lots of people have similar opinions. | |
Jun 13, 2014 at 15:59 | comment | added | Lightness Races in Orbit | @JoshuaTaylor: That is not enough to prove that you are worthy of such despotic powers. | |
Jun 13, 2014 at 15:30 | comment | added | Joshua Taylor | "in a low volume tag no one has answered enough to prove … they are worthy of such despotic powers." Sure they have. In my own SO corner, I'm currently top in sparql, where I've answered 292 questions with a total score of 589. It's not a matter of not answering enough questions, it's a matter of not having enough traffic to upvote those answers and get the rep for a gold badge. I recognize lots of duplicates because I answered lots of them the first time. :) That makes it easy to VTC as duplicate, but the same problem occurs: not enough traffic, not enough close votes. | |
Jun 13, 2014 at 13:09 | comment | added | Chris Latta |
No one is suggesting to just hand out powers to people on their first day. If you look at @DimitriM's answer he has sensible criteria to prevent abuse - the user must be in the top 20 for the tag and have the yearling badge, reviewer badge, silver or bronze tag badge, plus the tag itself having a critical mass of questions. I have answered over 250 questions in the reporting-services tag - in a higher volume tag that has more voting I would already have a gold tag badge and we wouldn't be having this conversation. As it is, I only have a bronze tag badge and duplicates are going unclosed.
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Jun 13, 2014 at 12:55 | comment | added | Lightness Races in Orbit | @ChrisLätta: But in a low volume tag no one has answered enough to prove that they are worthy of such despotic powers. It's a very slippery slope to start doling out moderator powers to anyone who's posted ten answers just because the tag only has ten answers. | |
Jun 13, 2014 at 12:47 | comment | added | Chris Latta | The problem is that in low volume tags you will likely never get the 5 votes needed to close a duplicate. I agree that democracy is the best approach but for democracy to work you need a critical mass of voters. The mighty hammer is actually more useful in a low volume tag because that is the only way duplicates will get closed. In high volume tags you can more easily rely on democracy because you have enough voters. However, there the might hammer is dealing with volume issues. The same solution solves both problems - not enough voters or too much crap. | |
Jun 13, 2014 at 12:16 | comment | added | Lightness Races in Orbit | @ChrisLätta: The point is that the mighty hammer is an incredibly blunt and powerful instrument that, under normal circumstances, would never be used. Community voting is always morally the best approach. We only have the superpowers in high-volume tags because the existing ethical approach is insufficient. That is not the case for your low-volume tags, where the "default case" of democracy should remain in place until the last possible moment. It has nothing to do with "eliteness" — what on earth are you talking about? | |
Jun 13, 2014 at 11:46 | comment | added | Chris Latta | Surely it can be used to stem the tide of all crap? Why restrict it to an elite set of tags and sod the rest? Our crap is no less crappy. | |
Jun 13, 2014 at 10:55 | history | answered | Lightness Races in Orbit | CC BY-SA 3.0 |