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Interesting post, only this morning a fellow devdeveloper made a comment about is being harder to receive a good quality answer on SOStack Overflow. We discussed a few points, some of which I'll highlight here in logical order:

  • He believed that 'the good people' now either take longer, or don't bother posting answers. This is in keeping with the OP's sentiment about community getting larger and perhaps people seeming less willing to post answers due to many of the original points, such as likelihood of seeingseeing that person again perhaps.
  • I countered this by saying, in my opinion it's not that good answers don't get posted, but that interesting posts can often become swamped in smaller / less interesting / worse quality questions, this is again I believe a scale problem. I believe that less experienced members can see SOStack Overflow as a google for easy directed answers, and will often ask basic questions without attempted to gain an understanding of their issue first.
  • I then proposed that perhaps a set of checks could be performed in addition to the 'similar questions' list, such as asking 'have'Have you looked on googleGoogle for this problem?', 'have'Have you consulted the relevant API / guidance information for your product / language etc'etc.?'. The counter to this approach is that this can be very irritating for an experienced user. PossiblePossibly this could only be activated under a certain level of points.
  • I then raised, what I believe is a more fundamental issue with serious sites using the gamification / points model to reward contributions. I believe thesethis is a serious problem over long term of using this methodology. Namely, that over time, users begin to 'search out points', you get 10 users racing to be the first 3 line-line answer for a common jQuery problem and each getting 10 votes in 5 minutes, and hundreds over time, whereas a niche area with a complex question may have much more effort placed into the answer, and receive far less of the 'credit'. This is potentially exaggerated by being able to say, post your SOStack Overflow badge on you person website as some kind of extra line on your CV.
  • This brings me to my final point, which is that in my experience there is a tendency toward high activity (and therefore vote potential) in areas which are either very accessible (JavascriptJavaScript for example) or very popular (C#/.NetNET perhaps). I was for example very active in a particular library's tag set, until our company decided not to use said framework any more, as a result I now don't end up answering these questions.
  • So to sum up the last two points, using gamefication to encourage contribution and then the inherent reward potential of answering simple questions in popular categories, anyone who is looking to 'vote snipe' will be likely to spend their time on short simple answers to short simple questions, rather than wade through a more complex or interesting question to provide a more detailed answer.
  • Rank questions based on complexity and apply a multiplier, either positive or negative to points. E.g. Someone For example, someone telling someone how to bind a click handler in JavascriptJavaScript should receive lessfewer points per vote than someone describing the intricacies of creating a complex shader function in Direct XDirectX for example.
  • 'Matchmaking' - Further from the complexity suggestion, if questions were ranked on complexity, perhaps you as a user would earn a complexity rating based on questions you'd asked in that area (or you could choose your own). This would allow / attempt to shift more technically able users to more technically complex questions. This would hopefully promote more niche / complex answers.
  • Offer reputation more actively for housekeeping tasks such as closing and editing questions to reward outside badges, those who actively help the community.

Interesting post, only this morning a fellow dev made a comment about is being harder to receive a good quality answer on SO. We discussed a few points, some of which I'll highlight here in logical order:

  • He believed that 'the good people' now either take longer, or don't bother posting answers. This is in keeping with the OP's sentiment about community getting larger and perhaps people seeming less willing to post answers due to many of the original points, such as likelihood of seeing that person again perhaps.
  • I countered this by saying, in my opinion it's not that good answers don't get posted, but that interesting posts can often become swamped in smaller / less interesting / worse quality questions, this is again I believe a scale problem. I believe that less experienced members can see SO as a google for easy directed answers, and will often ask basic questions without attempted to gain an understanding of their issue first.
  • I then proposed that perhaps a set of checks could be performed in addition to the 'similar questions' list, such as asking 'have you looked on google for this problem?', 'have you consulted the relevant API / guidance information for your product / language etc'. The counter to this approach is that this can be very irritating for an experienced user. Possible this could only be activated under a certain level of points.
  • I then raised, what I believe is a more fundamental issue with serious sites using the gamification / points model to reward contributions. I believe these is a serious problem over long term of using this methodology. Namely, that over time, users begin to 'search out points', you get 10 users racing to be the first 3 line answer for a common jQuery problem and each getting 10 votes in 5 minutes, and hundreds over time, whereas a niche area with a complex question may have much more effort placed into the answer, and receive far less of the 'credit'. This is potentially exaggerated by being able to say, post your SO badge on you person website as some kind of extra line on your CV.
  • This brings me to my final point, which is that in my experience there is a tendency toward high activity (and therefore vote potential) in areas which are either very accessible (Javascript for example) or very popular (C#.Net perhaps). I was for example very active in a particular library's tag set, until our company decided not to use said framework any more, as a result I now don't end up answering these questions.
  • So to sum up the last two points, using gamefication to encourage contribution and then the inherent reward potential of answering simple questions in popular categories, anyone who is looking to 'vote snipe' will be likely to spend their time on short simple answers to short simple questions, rather than wade through a more complex or interesting question to provide a more detailed answer.
  • Rank questions based on complexity and apply a multiplier, either positive or negative to points. E.g. Someone telling someone how to bind a click handler in Javascript should receive less points per vote than someone describing the intricacies of creating a complex shader function in Direct X for example.
  • 'Matchmaking' - Further from the complexity suggestion, if questions were ranked on complexity, perhaps you as a user would earn a complexity rating based on questions you'd asked in that area (or you could choose your own). This would allow / attempt to shift more technically able users to more technically complex questions. This would hopefully promote more niche / complex answers.
  • Offer reputation more actively for housekeeping tasks such as closing and editing questions to reward outside badges, those who actively help the community.

Interesting post, only this morning a fellow developer made a comment about is being harder to receive a good quality answer on Stack Overflow. We discussed a few points, some of which I'll highlight here in logical order:

  • He believed that 'the good people' now either take longer, or don't bother posting answers. This is in keeping with the OP's sentiment about community getting larger and perhaps people seeming less willing to post answers due to many of the original points, such as likelihood of seeing that person again perhaps.
  • I countered this by saying, in my opinion it's not that good answers don't get posted, but that interesting posts can often become swamped in smaller / less interesting / worse quality questions, this is again I believe a scale problem. I believe that less experienced members can see Stack Overflow as a google for easy directed answers and will often ask basic questions without attempted to gain an understanding of their issue first.
  • I then proposed that perhaps a set of checks could be performed in addition to the 'similar questions' list, such as asking 'Have you looked on Google for this problem?', 'Have you consulted the relevant API / guidance information for your product / language etc.?'. The counter to this approach is that this can be very irritating for an experienced user. Possibly this could only be activated under a certain level of points.
  • I then raised, what I believe is a more fundamental issue with serious sites using the gamification / points model to reward contributions. I believe this is a serious problem over long term of using this methodology. Namely, that over time, users begin to 'search out points', you get 10 users racing to be the first 3-line answer for a common jQuery problem and each getting 10 votes in 5 minutes, and hundreds over time, whereas a niche area with a complex question may have much more effort placed into the answer, and receive far less of the 'credit'. This is potentially exaggerated by being able to say, post your Stack Overflow badge on you person website as some kind of extra line on your CV.
  • This brings me to my final point, which is that in my experience there is a tendency toward high activity (and therefore vote potential) in areas which are either very accessible (JavaScript for example) or very popular (C#/.NET perhaps). I was for example very active in a particular library's tag set, until our company decided not to use said framework any more, as a result I now don't end up answering these questions.
  • So to sum up the last two points, using gamefication to encourage contribution and then the inherent reward potential of answering simple questions in popular categories, anyone who is looking to 'vote snipe' will be likely to spend their time on short simple answers to short simple questions, rather than wade through a more complex or interesting question to provide a more detailed answer.
  • Rank questions based on complexity and apply a multiplier, either positive or negative to points. For example, someone telling someone how to bind a click handler in JavaScript should receive fewer points per vote than someone describing the intricacies of creating a complex shader function in DirectX for example.
  • 'Matchmaking' - Further from the complexity suggestion, if questions were ranked on complexity, perhaps you as a user would earn a complexity rating based on questions you'd asked in that area (or you could choose your own). This would allow / attempt to shift more technically able users to more technically complex questions. This would hopefully promote more niche / complex answers.
  • Offer reputation more actively for housekeeping tasks such as closing and editing questions to reward outside badges, those who actively help the community.
Added suggestions, rather than just discussion points.
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Interesting post, only this morning a fellow dev made a comment about is being harder to receive a good quality answer on SO. We discussed a few points, some of which I'll highlight here in logical order:

  • He believed that 'the good people' now either take longer, or don't bother posting answers. This is in keeping with the OP's sentiment about community getting larger and perhaps people seeming less willing to post answers due to many of the original points, such as likelihood of seeing that person again perhaps.
  • I countered this by saying, in my opinion it's not that good answers don't get posted, but that interesting posts can often become swamped in smaller / less interesting / worse quality questions, this is again I believe a scale problem. I believe that less experienced members can see SO as a google for easy directed answers, and will often ask basic questions without attempted to gain an understanding of their issue first.
  • I then proposed that perhaps a set of checks could be performed in addition to the 'similar questions' list, such as asking 'have you looked on google for this problem?', 'have you consulted the relevant API / guidance information for your product / language etc'. The counter to this approach is that this can be very irritating for an experienced user. Possible this could only be activated under a certain level of points.
  • I then raised, what I believe is a more fundamental issue with serious sites using the gamification / points model to reward contributions. I believe these is a serious problem over long term of using this methodology. Namely, that over time, users begin to 'search out points', you get 10 users racing to be the first 3 line answer for a common jQuery problem and each getting 10 votes in 5 minutes, and hundreds over time, whereas a niche area with a complex question may have much more effort placed into the answer, and receive far less of the 'credit'. This is potentially exaggerated by being able to say, post your SO badge on you person website as some kind of extra line on your CV.
  • This brings me to my final point, which is that in my experience there is a tendency toward high activity (and therefore vote potential) in areas which are either very accessible (Javascript for example) or very popular (C#.Net perhaps). I was for example very active in a particular library's tag set, until our company decided not to use said framework any more, as a result I now don't end up answering these questions.
  • So to sum up the last two points, using gamefication to encourage contribution and then the inherent reward potential of answering simple questions in popular categories, anyone who is looking to 'vote snipe' will be likely to spend their time on short simple answers to short simple questions, rather than wade through a more complex or interesting question to provide a more detailed answer.

Taking the slightly rambling points above into account, these would be my off the cuff suggestions:

  • Rank questions based on complexity and apply a multiplier, either positive or negative to points. E.g. Someone telling someone how to bind a click handler in Javascript should receive less points per vote than someone describing the intricacies of creating a complex shader function in Direct X for example.
  • 'Matchmaking' - Further from the complexity suggestion, if questions were ranked on complexity, perhaps you as a user would earn a complexity rating based on questions you'd asked in that area (or you could choose your own). This would allow / attempt to shift more technically able users to more technically complex questions. This would hopefully promote more niche / complex answers.
  • Offer reputation more actively for housekeeping tasks such as closing and editing questions to reward outside badges, those who actively help the community.

Interesting post, only this morning a fellow dev made a comment about is being harder to receive a good quality answer on SO. We discussed a few points, some of which I'll highlight here in logical order:

  • He believed that 'the good people' now either take longer, or don't bother posting answers. This is in keeping with the OP's sentiment about community getting larger and perhaps people seeming less willing to post answers due to many of the original points, such as likelihood of seeing that person again perhaps.
  • I countered this by saying, in my opinion it's not that good answers don't get posted, but that interesting posts can often become swamped in smaller / less interesting / worse quality questions, this is again I believe a scale problem. I believe that less experienced members can see SO as a google for easy directed answers, and will often ask basic questions without attempted to gain an understanding of their issue first.
  • I then proposed that perhaps a set of checks could be performed in addition to the 'similar questions' list, such as asking 'have you looked on google for this problem?', 'have you consulted the relevant API / guidance information for your product / language etc'. The counter to this approach is that this can be very irritating for an experienced user. Possible this could only be activated under a certain level of points.
  • I then raised, what I believe is a more fundamental issue with serious sites using the gamification / points model to reward contributions. I believe these is a serious problem over long term of using this methodology. Namely, that over time, users begin to 'search out points', you get 10 users racing to be the first 3 line answer for a common jQuery problem and each getting 10 votes in 5 minutes, and hundreds over time, whereas a niche area with a complex question may have much more effort placed into the answer, and receive far less of the 'credit'. This is potentially exaggerated by being able to say, post your SO badge on you person website as some kind of extra line on your CV.
  • This brings me to my final point, which is that in my experience there is a tendency toward high activity (and therefore vote potential) in areas which are either very accessible (Javascript for example) or very popular (C#.Net perhaps). I was for example very active in a particular library's tag set, until our company decided not to use said framework any more, as a result I now don't end up answering these questions.
  • So to sum up the last two points, using gamefication to encourage contribution and then the inherent reward potential of answering simple questions in popular categories, anyone who is looking to 'vote snipe' will be likely to spend their time on short simple answers to short simple questions, rather than wade through a more complex or interesting question to provide a more detailed answer.

Interesting post, only this morning a fellow dev made a comment about is being harder to receive a good quality answer on SO. We discussed a few points, some of which I'll highlight here in logical order:

  • He believed that 'the good people' now either take longer, or don't bother posting answers. This is in keeping with the OP's sentiment about community getting larger and perhaps people seeming less willing to post answers due to many of the original points, such as likelihood of seeing that person again perhaps.
  • I countered this by saying, in my opinion it's not that good answers don't get posted, but that interesting posts can often become swamped in smaller / less interesting / worse quality questions, this is again I believe a scale problem. I believe that less experienced members can see SO as a google for easy directed answers, and will often ask basic questions without attempted to gain an understanding of their issue first.
  • I then proposed that perhaps a set of checks could be performed in addition to the 'similar questions' list, such as asking 'have you looked on google for this problem?', 'have you consulted the relevant API / guidance information for your product / language etc'. The counter to this approach is that this can be very irritating for an experienced user. Possible this could only be activated under a certain level of points.
  • I then raised, what I believe is a more fundamental issue with serious sites using the gamification / points model to reward contributions. I believe these is a serious problem over long term of using this methodology. Namely, that over time, users begin to 'search out points', you get 10 users racing to be the first 3 line answer for a common jQuery problem and each getting 10 votes in 5 minutes, and hundreds over time, whereas a niche area with a complex question may have much more effort placed into the answer, and receive far less of the 'credit'. This is potentially exaggerated by being able to say, post your SO badge on you person website as some kind of extra line on your CV.
  • This brings me to my final point, which is that in my experience there is a tendency toward high activity (and therefore vote potential) in areas which are either very accessible (Javascript for example) or very popular (C#.Net perhaps). I was for example very active in a particular library's tag set, until our company decided not to use said framework any more, as a result I now don't end up answering these questions.
  • So to sum up the last two points, using gamefication to encourage contribution and then the inherent reward potential of answering simple questions in popular categories, anyone who is looking to 'vote snipe' will be likely to spend their time on short simple answers to short simple questions, rather than wade through a more complex or interesting question to provide a more detailed answer.

Taking the slightly rambling points above into account, these would be my off the cuff suggestions:

  • Rank questions based on complexity and apply a multiplier, either positive or negative to points. E.g. Someone telling someone how to bind a click handler in Javascript should receive less points per vote than someone describing the intricacies of creating a complex shader function in Direct X for example.
  • 'Matchmaking' - Further from the complexity suggestion, if questions were ranked on complexity, perhaps you as a user would earn a complexity rating based on questions you'd asked in that area (or you could choose your own). This would allow / attempt to shift more technically able users to more technically complex questions. This would hopefully promote more niche / complex answers.
  • Offer reputation more actively for housekeeping tasks such as closing and editing questions to reward outside badges, those who actively help the community.
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Interesting post, only this morning a fellow dev made a comment about is being harder to receive a good quality answer on SO. We discussed a few points, some of which I'll highlight here in logical order:

  • He believed that 'the good people' now either take longer, or don't bother posting answers. This is in keeping with the OP's sentiment about community getting larger and perhaps people seeming less willing to post answers due to many of the original points, such as likelihood of seeing that person again perhaps.
  • I countered this by saying, in my opinion it's not that good answers don't get posted, but that interesting posts can often become swamped in smaller / less interesting / worse quality questions, this is again I believe a scale problem. I believe that less experienced members can see SO as a google for easy directed answers, and will often ask basic questions without attempted to gain an understanding of their issue first.
  • I then proposed that perhaps a set of checks could be performed in addition to the 'similar questions' list, such as asking 'have you looked on google for this problem?', 'have you consulted the relevant API / guidance information for your product / language etc'. The counter to this approach is that this can be very irritating for an experienced user. Possible this could only be activated under a certain level of points.
  • I then raised, what I believe is a more fundamental issue with serious sites using the gamification / points model to reward contributions. I believe these is a serious problem over long term of using this methodology. Namely, that over time, users begin to 'search out points', you get 10 users racing to be the first 3 line answer for a common jQuery problem and each getting 10 votes in 5 minutes, and hundreds over time, whereas a niche area with a complex question may have much more effort placed into the answer, and receive far less of the 'credit'. This is potentially exaggerated by being able to say, post your SO badge on you person website as some kind of extra line on your CV.
  • This brings me to my final point, which is that in my experience there is a tendency toward high activity (and therefore vote potential) in areas which are either very accessible (Javascript for example) or very popular (C#.Net perhaps). I was for example very active in a particular library's tag set, until our company decided not to use said framework any more, as a result I now don't end up answering these questions.
  • So to sum up the last two points, using gamefication to encourage contribution and then the inherent reward potential of answering simple questions in popular categories, anyone who is looking to 'vote snipe' will be likely to spend their time on short simple answers to short simple questions, rather than wade through a more complex or interesting question to provide a more detailed answer.