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Feb 26, 2018 at 5:30 review Reopen votes
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May 23, 2017 at 12:37 history edited CommunityBot
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Sep 13, 2016 at 2:46 comment added njzk2 much later: the dup question now has a very understandable title that makes sense (which now makes this meta question confusing at first)
Nov 19, 2014 at 17:27 comment added Marmstrong @MaximeBernard I have learned since posting this that SO can be very petty. Quite a lot of my questions got downvoted because I posted this. I now just use this place to get my questions answered and get out as quickly as I can. I ignore all the other stuff that happens around. Its a bit sad really considering how good this place could actually be.
Nov 19, 2014 at 11:37 comment added MaximeBernard @Marmstrong I can't agree more with your "Thirdly" point as it happened to me many times and I felt unwanted, discouraged and misunderstood. And moreover, I felt my question was legitimate (and still do).
Oct 23, 2014 at 15:54 comment added user692942 @Marmstrong I do understand your frustration but just for the record I do agree with the majority I'm afraid. It was a duplicate and the appropriate action was taken. In my experience most of the time it's best to just accept it and move on.
Oct 23, 2014 at 15:49 comment added Marmstrong @Lankymart Not a worry. I am here to get my questions answered and to learn not to score virtual points on some website.
Oct 23, 2014 at 15:46 comment added user692942 @Marmstrong I was being sarcastic (sorry)...but sad to hear you have fallen foul of The Meta Effect.
Oct 23, 2014 at 15:42 comment added Marmstrong @Lankymart It is hilarious!! People also went through and downvoted a bunch of my questions. Talk about not being allowed to hold an opinion.
Oct 23, 2014 at 9:31 comment added user692942 So this has also been marked as a duplicate? ... priceless! :)
May 29, 2014 at 16:20 comment added Bill K @Marmstrong It involves "Winning" more than hating I think. They have this closed view that everything must fit the model in their head (something very common amoung nerds who are generally correct about many things--we tend to think that only we are right about everything). As soon as you give the bullied some power their tendancy is to use it to treat others as they have been treated--I wouldn't take it personally. I think I'm the hater because I see their behavior and know that I barely suppress the tendancy to be an ass myself. You most hate for behaviors which you dislike in yourself :)
May 29, 2014 at 9:32 comment added Marmstrong @BillK I got a lot of hate from posting this. People have gone through my questions and downvoted them. There is a lot of hate on SO.
May 28, 2014 at 21:32 comment added Bill K That this was closed as a duplicate of a question that approaches from a completely different aspect--supporting your thesis almost perfectly--gave me the best laugh of the day. The agressive closing of questions on SO is an aspect that is turning me into a hater. People learn from answering at least as much as reading an answer. Not that I have a problem with cross-linking to similar answers, but if it was REALLY a dupe than it was titled in such a way that this wasn't obvious so a second reference never hurts!
May 21, 2014 at 14:04 review Reopen votes
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May 15, 2014 at 18:04 comment added user456814 See also Replace the built-in Elastic Search with results from Google instead.
May 14, 2014 at 18:53 history closed Raedwald
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Duplicate of When is it justifiable to downvote a question?
May 14, 2014 at 17:33 review Close votes
May 14, 2014 at 18:53
May 14, 2014 at 17:08 comment added user456814 (Ahem) regarding anonymous explanations for downvotes, Please Read Enable Optional Anonymous Reasons for Downvotes on Questions, especially the "Related Posts" section at the bottom of the question. This is a well-worn topic.
May 14, 2014 at 17:06 answer added Kevin timeline score: 4
May 14, 2014 at 15:50 comment added rattletrap99 Being a new guy myself, and one prone to make mistakes--even after doing a day's worth of research--I share @Marmstrong's sense of being scorned by anonymous downvotes. But I also understand the desire to maintain a high quality of discourse on SO. Seems like, with the technology available, and the obvious talent around here, that maybe a alternate system might be instituted. Sort of a "three strikes and then you start losing rep" scheme where you get a couple of warnings before you get pilloried. Also, a downvoter could be required to explain, maybe with a checklist. Anonymously, of course.
May 14, 2014 at 11:33 comment added Hot Licks @Cupcake - I agree the "type 2" questions should not be downvoted and deleted, but they are, quite regularly. (But a rhetorical question for everyone: If one has tens of thousands of points, what are those points good for other than downvoting?)
May 14, 2014 at 10:26 comment added Floris Your suggestion of anonymous commenting (to explain downvotes) will lead to more viciousness. The fact that you sign (often with a fictitious name, but at least as a "knowable entity") at least gives some accountability to the person writing the comment.
May 14, 2014 at 10:25 comment added Ben Aaronson Well so far you've gained 43 rep from the question, so don't be too unhappy
May 14, 2014 at 10:23 history edited Marmstrong CC BY-SA 3.0
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May 14, 2014 at 10:10 answer added Lundin timeline score: 3
May 14, 2014 at 10:08 comment added Marmstrong @HansPassant The downvote is not just a signal to other SO users. If you look now at the voting on my original question you can see its receive a lot of different votes, both up and down. These votes where NOT cast to indicate the question wasn't good as it is far past being answered. Plus marking the question as duplicate puts the words duplicate in the title. This is indication to people that the question can't be answered and doesn't need considered. Down votes are just redundant in this case.
May 14, 2014 at 8:18 answer added Ian Ringrose timeline score: 3
May 14, 2014 at 7:58 comment added Richard Le Mesurier I typed "python" followed by the exact question title into the google and got lots of useful hits - you could have easily done that. At least one of those hits is on this site.
May 14, 2014 at 6:14 comment added user456814 Possibly related: Getting to Know Stack Overflow's Voting Culture.
May 14, 2014 at 6:11 comment added user456814 @HotLicks for your 2nd category of duplicate questions, I find it strange that we would downvote these. You know, the kind of questions that are phrased differently. We're actively encouraged to not delete these because they add more search keywords that lead to a canonical answer, and yet downvotes encourage the original poster to delete the duplicate. It's counter-productive.
May 13, 2014 at 23:19 answer added Raedwald timeline score: 15
May 13, 2014 at 23:06 history edited Marmstrong CC BY-SA 3.0
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May 13, 2014 at 22:08 answer added Lance Roberts timeline score: 3
May 13, 2014 at 22:01 history edited Andreas Rejbrand CC BY-SA 3.0
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May 13, 2014 at 21:38 answer added TheJavaBeast timeline score: 0
May 13, 2014 at 21:28 answer added Kenny Evitt timeline score: 6
May 13, 2014 at 20:49 comment added Hot Licks (It is a valid complaint here that the search facilities really suck. I find the best way to do a search is to begin editing a question and then, after typing a few lines, look at the list of "Questions that may already have your answer" displayed above the edit window.)
May 13, 2014 at 20:47 answer added Steinar Lima timeline score: 35
May 13, 2014 at 20:46 comment added Hot Licks In my mind there are two types of duplicates: 1) The OP put little or no (sometimes it even seems negative) effort into researching the problem. These should be viciously downvoted and quickly closed as dupe. 2) The question is answered by another question (not necessarily easy to identify), so technically a dupe. It is reasonable to mark such a question "dupe", I think, but it should not be downvoted. However, I've also personally observed folks applying the first strategy to questions that clearly fall into the second category. It's human nature.
May 13, 2014 at 20:37 comment added jchwebdev If your question is general here's my take: I've had my share of downvotes and I can understand the occasional 'harsh' feeling. Having said that, overall I think the culture has the correct attitude. If the tone wasn't a bit 'strict' the place would be almost immediately overrun with laziness. I have myself been guilty of this. Like even the best governments it sometimes gets a little too strict but on balance it works amazingly well.
May 13, 2014 at 20:34 history edited thegrinner CC BY-SA 3.0
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May 13, 2014 at 18:43 comment added Pekka Stack Overflow gets 8,000 new questions every day and many of them are easily Googleable duplicates. There is nothing wrong with the culture of downvoting those (although of course great care must be used at all times.)
May 13, 2014 at 18:27 comment added jscs The fact that you wouldn't have known what to Google to find that question doesn't really matter, as long as the linked question does indeed solve your problem. Your second item here is right on: the post is now a pointer to the answer for people who use search terms similar to yours, and the solution information is kept in one place, rather than smeared out across dozens of threads, forum-style.
May 13, 2014 at 18:19 answer added Bart timeline score: 92
May 13, 2014 at 18:15 comment added Hans Passant A downvote is a signal to other SO users that there is no need to pay attention to the question. Which looks pretty accurate to me if your question was a duplicate. You'll have to get used to the idea that votes are on questions, not persons. Not being able to adapt to the SO ways of doing things is not a problem with SO, it really is your problem. Nobody forces you to use it.
May 13, 2014 at 18:14 history edited Peter Mortensen CC BY-SA 3.0
Used the official name of Stack Overflow - see section "Proper Use of the Stack Exchange Name" in http://stackoverflow.com/legal/trademark-guidance (the last section). Expansion.
May 13, 2014 at 18:13 comment added roippi If you didn't like the title of the linked dupe, there are literally thousands of others to choose from; I would estimate that that question gets asked at least once a day on average. We tend to use that one as the go-to dupe because it has a well written answer.
May 13, 2014 at 18:12 comment added joran I want to reiterate that even after drawing attention to yourself on Meta, you have a grand total of 3 down votes and 1 up vote. You're making a mountain out of a mole-hill. Remember that you did get a good answer to your question, so it's not like the response you got was unhelpful. If you find a small number of down votes this upsetting, SO might not be a great place for you at the moment.
May 13, 2014 at 18:10 comment added Noah @Marmstrong I go through and downvote questions which display no research effort, or when they're simply way too beginner-level for SO (based on my subjective judgment). My understanding is that SO is not the place for simple syntax / flow control questions from self-proclaimed "beginner programmers". Python, Perl, and PHP, in particular, have TONS of good resources for learning the basics of the language.
May 13, 2014 at 18:01 comment added user456814 @Marmstrong sorry, I don't have a clear answer for you. Like I said, I've given up on downvoting questions. It comes with too much trouble. I'm staying miles away from the whole practice.
May 13, 2014 at 17:57 comment added Marmstrong @Cupcake So presumably I got down vote for not doing enough research effor? How can someone really know how much effort was put in (apart from the the obvious scenarios)? Like I said in the question beginners don't know the technical jargon and therefore will spend a lot longer searching for answers than a more advanced person. Some problems also are so close or a deceptive that it may be hard to find. Often you could look at a problem for hours and not get an answer. It can only take a second pair of eyes seconds to spot the mistake.
May 13, 2014 at 17:56 comment added user456814 @Marmstrong the votes are used as positive and negative feedback and reinforcement for behavior. I'm ambivalent about the use in the case of duplicates though. If the asker was lazy and didn't even bother to try a few google queries or look in documentation, that could justify a downvote, but sometimes it can be hard to tell if that's the case, in my opinion. I've generally given up on downvoting questions, there's too much drama and confrontation that goes along with it :/
May 13, 2014 at 17:53 comment added user456814 For partial list of why questions get downvoted: How do I ask a good question?. The other topics in the help center contain more reasons (off-topic, no minimally verifiable example, etc).
May 13, 2014 at 17:52 comment added user456814 Related: When is it justifiable to downvote a question?.
May 13, 2014 at 17:50 comment added Marmstrong @joran I completely agree that every should be thick skinned on the internet but it doesn't mean we have to promote being aggressive. SO could be a lot more friendly and appealing to use.
May 13, 2014 at 17:47 comment added joran My point is simply that completely setting aside the merits of your question, the ability to brush off 1-2 votes (in either direction) is a necessary skill if you want to exist on SO (or the internet, frankly).
May 13, 2014 at 17:46 comment added Jeroen Vannevel I agree with the bad title and changed it to something more descriptive (Can I check if multiple variables evaluate to a certain condition?)
May 13, 2014 at 17:46 comment added Marmstrong @joran That was probably an exaggeration compared to the down votes some questions I have seen but to a new person it is still off putting that by the time you have even refreshed the page people have rejected what you have written.
May 13, 2014 at 17:44 comment added joran FWIW, I would not call the 2 down votes that you had (prior to calling attention to yourself here) "aggressive down voting". I would call that "mild down voting".
May 13, 2014 at 17:43 comment added Marmstrong @Theolodis Does SO have a downvote culture for bad titling? I really don't know the extensive list of reasons why things get downvoted.
May 13, 2014 at 17:38 comment added Theolodis I have to admit that you are right for the "duplicate", the title is just garbage and your title is better. You should probably consider editing the original question to improve it ;)
May 13, 2014 at 17:34 history asked Marmstrong CC BY-SA 3.0