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Aug 31, 2022 at 21:30 comment added 0Valt Fast-forward to 2022, and the "edit queue most often hovers between five and zero" is no nearly as true as it (maybe) used to be in 2014. These days the queue sits around the increased 500 threshold every day, in no small way "thanks" to all those minor edits that supposedly do not cause any disruption to how the site operates.
Jul 4, 2017 at 23:42 comment added Clement Cherlin I see "clogging up the front page" as the most, or one of the most important concerns regarding minor edits. Is it intractably difficult to limit the number of "bumped" questions on the front page and reserve a certain fraction of slots for new questions? Aside: I'm not sure I've ever looked at the front page of SO or any SE for more than five minutes total. I navigate by 1. Google and 2. Related questions (I have hot network questions blocked for productivity reasons). If there needs to be a simple "New" tab, then create it.
May 23, 2017 at 12:38 history edited CommunityBot
replaced http://stackoverflow.com/ with https://stackoverflow.com/
Mar 24, 2017 at 15:40 comment added muescha lets open a typo edit queue
Jan 13, 2016 at 19:15 history edited CubeJockey CC BY-SA 3.0
Improved header flow / fixing caveman speak
Nov 24, 2015 at 7:10 comment added Kevin J. Chase Another reason to fix typos is that they can cost non-native English speakers a lot of time. A typo doesn't hold me up very often, because I already know that "liek" means "like" and "rite" is probably "right". Someone who occasionally has to look up words or phrases will be slowed by the first one and badly held up by the second, where the typo is also an English word. That's before you count all the words that are regularly misused even by native English speakers: lie/lay, affect/effect, which/that, to/too/two, compose/comprise, in/into, tenet/tenant, and so on.
May 17, 2015 at 19:33 history edited Lightness Races in Orbit CC BY-SA 3.0
Corrected spelling
May 13, 2015 at 11:51 comment added Jonathan Drapeau @jpmc26 You're missing the point totally.
May 13, 2015 at 6:13 comment added jpmc26 @JonathanDrapeau Right, because everyone always has infinite time to spend on StackExchange. Silly me for thinking people might have obligations that prevent them from spending that kind of time every time they see a grammatical error or tag problem. Your argument is invalid. No one is required to spend that kind of time here, and it makes no sense to reject small improvements just because bigger improvements are needed. There is just no legitimate argue in favor of doing that. It's fine to make a small contribution; not every contribution has to be huge.
May 12, 2015 at 12:15 comment added Jonathan Drapeau @jpmc26 Indeed it is and it then leave the burden of fixing the rest to others which I'm don't find useful. It wastes more people time and it should not be needed by reviewers to have to take time to improve the edit even further.
May 12, 2015 at 0:21 comment added jpmc26 @JonathanDrapeau It is much quicker to spend 2 minutes fixing one or two grammatical or tagging problems you noticed while reading than it is to spend 20 minutes evaluating every portion of the post.
Apr 7, 2015 at 0:11 comment added Paul Draper @Nemo, won't fix; too minor ;)
Apr 6, 2015 at 20:50 comment added Nemo Typo "hole", please edit. :) Was that a pun?
Oct 16, 2014 at 7:02 history rollback Paul Draper
Rollback to Revision 9
Sep 17, 2014 at 22:10 history edited Lightness Races in Orbit CC BY-SA 3.0
The ironing is delicious
Aug 12, 2014 at 15:59 comment added Jonathan Drapeau As much as saying that there are "quick" edits. Taking the time to click edit, find and correct the mistakes in the edit text field and writing a summary isn't quick. Why leave the rest of the improvements into the hands of the next person or the reviewer?
Aug 12, 2014 at 15:00 comment added jpmc26 @JonathanDrapeau That's a strawman. We're not talking about edits that "hunt down every grammar and spelling mistake". We're talking about people who notice one or two things wrong while reading and suggest a quick edit that changes one or two things. People with enough rep can just do the edit. Why are we ignoring the useful resource of people who are reading questions and answers? Instead of discarding useful corrections by people actually using the site, why not actually fix the other problems imposed by the reputation or active lists?
Aug 12, 2014 at 7:34 vote accept Richard Le Mesurier
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Aug 11, 2014 at 15:57 comment added Jonathan Drapeau If someone as the time to hunt down every grammar and spelling mistakes in questions/answers, they have time to correct the other things that needs to be corrected. Asking reviewer to improve all those edits that are missing a few things left and right is not the good solution. If you can't edit as much as possible in a question/answer, don't edit it.
Aug 11, 2014 at 15:35 comment added jpmc26 After a couple months of thought, I think a "minor edit" checkbox is a bad idea. The main legitimate argument against minor edits seems to be that the active lists get cluttered; instead of rejecting good changes to the site, that problem should be actively fixed so that minor edits don't pose a problem. However, this isn't something a reviewer or editor should have to think about. The system should automatically decide whether to bump based on heuristics. Certain kinds of changes or certain sizes of changes should cause a bump.
Jun 2, 2014 at 0:31 comment added Matthew Johnson Might be worth noting that often, or at least in my case, edits are done on questions that are already on the front page, so a "bump" is irrelevant.
May 14, 2014 at 21:07 comment added jpmc26 @jalf I think the very nature of StackOverflow discourages an attitude of "personal turf". If you feel an edit to your post changes it too much, you simply revert the edit. (I've encountered that situation myself.) StackOverflow allows editing other people's answers because we want everyone to contribute to the quality of the site, and a sense of "personal turf" actively hinders the ability to contribute. We want new users to lose that way of thinking, and if they can't, then StackOverflow probably isn't for them. Last, StackOverflow is plenty welcoming; I see no shortage of people.
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May 7, 2014 at 19:47 comment added Adam Smith @MatthieuM. I think we can ENTIRELY discount the benefit of that "soft" penalty. I don't think you'll disagree with me if I say that less than 10% of askers who require a minor edit will notice if their question gets bumped or not. And regardless I don't consider the bumping an issue either way -- there are PLENTY of ways to filter your search for new questions.
May 7, 2014 at 18:23 history edited Paul Draper CC BY-SA 3.0
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May 7, 2014 at 15:06 comment added senderle @JamesHaigh, the comparison you make to wikipedia is interesting, but it's a bit deceptive. Something no one has discussed so far is the issue that unlike on wikipedia, our names are prominently attached to our questions and answers. The reason it feels so easy to make an edit to a wikipedia page is that the page itself isn't attributed to anyone. But here, our names are linked to our words, and so they feel more like our own "turf." When someone steps on that turf, we notice it, and when we want to step on someone else's turf, we think twice. That's part of the mechanism of the site.
May 7, 2014 at 14:55 comment added Duncan Jones The review queue is probably small because we reject minor edits, sending the message that they are not welcome. If we accepted all edits, it would encourage more and more and the snowball effect could be quite dramatic.
May 7, 2014 at 14:50 comment added senderle To all those who are suggesting a minor edit checkbox / review option for reviewers: Yes! That is exactly what we need. If a reviewer selects "minor edit," the edit goes through but the editor doesn't get a +2, which is really only "deserved" for a more substantive edit.
May 7, 2014 at 14:26 comment added Stack Overflow is garbage This answer completely fails to take into account that for many users, having their answer edited for what seems like no serious reason feels unwelcoming or intrusive. People don't want to be corrected unless it's actually a correction worth making. And SO needs to be welcoming to people if it is to survive. It has to make not just reviewers and editors happy, but also those who actually write questions and answers.
May 7, 2014 at 13:22 comment added asteri @MatthieuM. True. I guess my use-case has more to do with non-native English speakers (people who don't have the skill set or capacity to really write with perfect grammar) rather than your random college kid who is just too lazy to do it, haha.
May 7, 2014 at 6:52 comment added Matthieu M. @JeffGohlke: On the other hand, not bumping the question is a "soft" penalty for the OP, which may encourage them to pay more attention to spelling and grammar next time if they wish a speedier answer.
May 7, 2014 at 1:15 comment added asteri Elaboration on #4: A grammar edit bumping the question a bit actually does have benefits. For example, if I can barely decipher what a question is asking due to bad English or a poor question title, I'll probably just skip it and not bother trying to translate what the OP wants and solve the problem. If those mistakes in the question's delivery are fixed, more people might take the time to really look at and answer the question.
May 5, 2014 at 6:03 comment added Richard Le Mesurier This "minor edit" checkbox idea is sounding better and better to me the more I think about it...
May 5, 2014 at 4:58 comment added jpmc26 I agree with this answer. To elaborate a bit on one aspect, I think requiring higher privilege users to spend more time trying to fix everything in a post is actually detrimental. Telling users that "minor edits" are not allowed means that more often, the post is simply not fixed, rather than someone spending the time to fix everything. Some posts are so bad that it is too time consuming to fix everything all in one swoop, and so people just reject the edit instead. And if I'm required to spend that much time on fixing a post, I'm not spending it in other areas (like possibly the close queue).
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May 5, 2014 at 1:09 comment added James Haigh @Ben Voigt: A slight penalty did cross my mind at first, but I didn't want to punish the occasional accident, then I realised that the penalty isn't necessary to make sure that minor edits are flagged without wasting reviewer time because minor edits still need at least one reviewer and the first reviewer could correct the flag. Your suggestion does make sense though because it targets those editors who are more likely to be deliberately incorrectly flagging edits at high volume to rep-farm, rather than the new user who suggested a correct minor edit but forgot to tick the box.
May 5, 2014 at 0:47 comment added Ben Voigt @JamesHaigh: That seems good. Maybe also a slight penalty to the editor if they fail to use that box when they should have. I'm thinking not directly negative rep, but count against their rep-from-edit cap for the day. That way it will only affect lazy rep-farmers who are betting on roboreviewers to boost them.
May 5, 2014 at 0:24 comment added James Haigh @Ben Voigt: Just seen your comment. What do you think to my suggestion which first gives the option to the suggester, but the reviewer can also check the checkbox, and resultantly reduce the number of reviewers needed as if the suggester had checked it correctly in the the first place?
May 5, 2014 at 0:08 comment added James Haigh @Chris Stratton: Not “the”, “a” – a ‘minor edit’ checkbox like that of Wikipedia that doesn't currently exist on this site but should. Those who would be unwilling to use it would face more reviewers, but the first reviewer could mark it as minor and this would do two things: reduce the number of further needed reviewers; and remove the incentive for deliberately not flagging the minor edit as minor.
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May 4, 2014 at 23:50 comment added Ben Voigt Ahh, maybe giving the "edit is minor" checkbox to the reviewers instead of the editor would be better. That's rather like Kate's method using "improve, uncheck suggestion was useful", but saves some steps and can be considered in attribution of the edit.
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May 4, 2014 at 23:45 comment added Paul Draper @BenVoigt, I 100% agree, and yet we have such a "very poor metric" right now used for disallowing edits. I would actually like to get rid of that metric altogether.
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May 4, 2014 at 23:41 comment added Ben Voigt I disagree with #1. For a computer to automatically determine, reliably, which edits are minor is very, very difficult. Number of characters changed/deleted/inserted is a very poor metric for significance of changes. And trusting the low-reputation user to correctly flag minor edits isn't much better.
May 4, 2014 at 23:40 comment added Chris Stratton I've never seen the "minor edit" checkbox and will make a point to look for it, however I expect that a lot of these near pointless edits are coming from those who see that, rather than meaningful contribution of solutions, as their path towards gaining reputation and so would be unwilling to use it. Perhaps approval-required edits should only gain points if a majority of the approving reviewers vote that they should.
May 4, 2014 at 23:40 comment added Paul Draper @JamesHaigh, true, though I feel the only important part here is the reviewer time. Editor time is IMO not as "transferrable".
May 4, 2014 at 23:36 comment added James Haigh @Chris Stratton: Unnecessary bumping and accidental rep-farming can be trivially avoided using a ‘minor edit’ checkbox that prevents the edit from bumping and discredits the +2 rep. As Paul Draper points out, minor edits take less time per review to process, and reviewer time of minor edits could be further reduced by requiring fewer reviews per minor edit. Reviewer time is the only real issue here, but this has to be weighed up against the editor time that is being pushed away from the network.
May 4, 2014 at 23:18 comment added James Haigh You are correct to point out the logical fallacy. If I see a minor error on SE, I will usually just leave it. If I see a minor error on Wikipedia and I have time, I'll often fix it. ;-)
May 4, 2014 at 18:33 comment added Chris Stratton No way - a trivially superior state is not excuse for the time wasted in the review queue, the reputation-leaching habits encouraged, and most especially the unwarranted attention of bumping often pointless questions to the top of the page.
May 4, 2014 at 17:15 comment added Brad Koch I agree, any edit which leaves the post in a superior state should be welcomed. The standard of quality must be high to encourage everyone to contribute their best. Worth noting that we very much do not have a shortage of suggested edit reviewers.
May 4, 2014 at 15:18 history answered Paul Draper CC BY-SA 3.0