Timeline for Is there a need for a new flag type: 'Embargoed until contest closes at <date/time>'?
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Jul 9, 2014 at 7:31 | comment | added | Patricia Shanahan | @smci I see my comment was not very clear. I did not mean that it should be a truly new question, but that, on automatic reopen, it should get the same prominence as a new question. | |
Jul 9, 2014 at 5:09 | comment | added | smci | @Patricia: if it appears as a new question (rather than automatically being reopened), then it would get subject to the close/deletionist whims of moderators twice. | |
Jun 10, 2014 at 0:00 | comment | added | Patricia Shanahan | When the embargo ends, the question should re-appear as a new question, so that it will be visible then. | |
Apr 29, 2014 at 12:08 | comment | added | smci | g) (You deleted your comment, but it essentially asked/argued what if mods didn't get to adjudicating the flag quick enough?) If the embargo flag gets upheld, then obviously the script should hide the answers until the embargo ends. Let us not let the perfect be the enemy of the good. You can think up heaps of implementation questions/objections. If you agree in principle and only object on procedural grounds, that's an implementation discussion and more constructive. | |
Apr 29, 2014 at 12:03 | comment | added | smci | f) How many (flags) would be needed to embargo a question? Well tell me how many flags are currently needed to get action taken on SO? Probably more than one, and whatever number SO typically uses for flags should be reasonable. That's missing the major point, that moderator behavior should be more consistent on this, | |
Apr 29, 2014 at 11:56 | comment | added | smci | ^^^^^ No, it's not closing, again that's offtopic. Embargoing would be embargoing. Huge differences a) if the tag is upheld, it automatically gets marked to be reopened at the right date&time, without human intervention, b) wouldn't require moderators to discuss whether to reopen c) Who would administer that? A script. d) Who would manage this and ensure questions get closed and reopened? A script. How does anything get managed on SO? e) As to arguing about the impossibility of writing a script on a website with 500k users, I roll my eyeballs. | |
Apr 29, 2014 at 10:48 | comment | added | smci | No it's not the same as homework. Please don't hijack the discussion with that nonsense. And don't assume I don't know the long tortured history of the homework tag. Homework came to be a loosely-applied diss-tag used for pejorative or flaming purposes, and to justify all sorts of flaming and obnoxious pile-on herd behavior, regardless of whether that was relevant to the question. Similar to lmgtfy. This is a totally different issue, so stop confusing them. It's 100% verifiable, and it has 100% definite timelines, and each of us can easily determine when it applies or not. End of story. | |
Apr 29, 2014 at 10:15 | comment | added | psubsee2003 | @smci Read up on the homework tag (add check out some of the other linked questions). This is virtually the same issue. If you want to establish a consensus for handling them, then ask that question first. Ultimately that is what happened with the homework tag. There was a lot of back and forth discussion and ultimately the community decided the appropriate handling was to kill the tag and stop worrying if a question was homework or not. | |
Apr 29, 2014 at 9:54 | comment | added | smci | ^^^^^ either way, we need basic clarity on groundrules and process for such cases. That discussion illustrates the current lack of. If some mods uphold 99% of open contest questions, versus some find 99% of them unconstructive, then that numerical data alone would illustrate a lack of clarity. But without a separate flag-type, this becomes near-impossible to determine. | |
Apr 29, 2014 at 9:48 | comment | added | psubsee2003 | @smci Fancy language aside (i.e. embargoing), you are suggesting closing questions that are part of a contest, then reopening them when the contest is over. The close system wasn't designed for this, so we don't need to add any additional workload on to anyone. Who would manage this and ensure questions get closed and reopend. How many users would be needed to temporarily close the question, what if it doesn't get closed in time? | |
Apr 29, 2014 at 9:47 | comment | added | psubsee2003 | @smci ultimately, I'm suggesting we do absolutely nothing. I fail to see why this is a problem that Stack Exchange needs to police. We're not the internet programming cops, so we shouldn't have to worry whether a question is for a contest or not. Some people might not care, and want to answer the question, and some will care and won't. | |
Apr 29, 2014 at 9:44 | comment | added | psubsee2003 | @smci We don't need a flag to suggest anything to the community. Flags don't suggest anything to the community, they go to the moderators for handling, so if your issue is with some mods deleting the comment, then they are going to do the same with a flag. | |
Apr 29, 2014 at 9:40 | comment | added | smci | "And Bill's answer to your linked question seems to say that even the comment might be discouraged" No, he doesn't. He emphatically says the opposite: "Comments pointing out the source of the problem and that it's from a live contest, and giving the end date&time, would be fine He only draws the line at asking people to not answer a question on SO. | |
Apr 29, 2014 at 9:34 | comment | added | smci | Then would you support a new flag suggesting users not answer a question until after a contest-related embargo date? If not, what sort of flag, or else message, would you support? Are we all agreed that leaving this stuff to the vagaries of a comment thread which probably wouldn't be very visible, and might get deleted, as currently, is not ok? Then what's your enhance suggestion? | |
Apr 29, 2014 at 9:33 | comment | added | smci | "I think the general feedback from the post you linked says it all, a properly worded comment is enough to handle this" - absolutely not, because we have some moderators telling us they arbitrarily consider such a comment to be 'unconstructive', and would sustain deleting it. To repeat myself, this should not be left to the whims of moderators. | |
Apr 29, 2014 at 9:21 | history | edited | psubsee2003 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Apr 29, 2014 at 9:12 | history | answered | psubsee2003 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |