Timeline for Where can I ask about "finding a tool, library, or favorite off-site resource?"
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May 16, 2019 at 18:05 | comment | added | b_levitt | I disagree. Librarys and components are not "ready-to-use" and the site states as a requirement. Further, you get component answers all the time on SO. The only thing in question here is the format of the question. | |
Apr 4, 2018 at 5:42 | comment | added | WillC | Please add Sotfware Recommendations to the 'closed off topic' for recomendation questions: the questions are being asked because people can't find where they should be asking: you'll have fewer of them in SO if people find out where they should be asking them. e.g. I've seen a fair few closed and open recommendation questions over the last 4 years, but no reference to softwarerecs. | |
Apr 13, 2017 at 12:50 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
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Mar 20, 2017 at 10:32 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
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Jul 22, 2016 at 20:31 | comment | added | Dmitry Romanov | TL;DR; I would be glad to have ANY opinionated answers for my question!!! This my question got banned stackoverflow.com/questions/38534450/…. I don't know ANY PLACE ON EARTH where I can ask about C library for embedded development and get help like on stackoverlow. | |
Dec 4, 2015 at 1:46 | comment | added | Jonah | not yet, it would take me an hour or more to prepare the question the way I would want to with supporting evidence, stats, etc so I haven't had time yet | |
Dec 4, 2015 at 1:23 | comment | added | g24l | @Jonah in general it is best to support egalitarian solutions . I am also against the current policy but it seems that what is being suggested here is not the way to go. At any rate did you ever ask the question? | |
Nov 22, 2015 at 1:38 | comment | added | Jonah | Maybe I will, but I fear with my low meta rep, I'd be fighting a tidal wave with a sword. I also suspect there's a selection bias by which the type of high rep users who'd favor it are not the high rep users involved in meta. But I should try anyway... | |
Nov 22, 2015 at 1:34 | comment | added | Robert Harvey Mod | @Jonah: Why don't you propose it as a feature request? I'd like to see what the community thinks. | |
Nov 22, 2015 at 1:32 | comment | added | Jonah | Other high rep users. Ask and answer cutoffs wouldn't have to be the same, but both would have to be at least 2K I'd say. | |
Nov 22, 2015 at 1:30 | comment | added | Robert Harvey Mod | @Jonah: Who would answer them? | |
Nov 22, 2015 at 1:29 | comment | added | Jonah | I'd be fine with that. Obviously I'd prefer 5K for selfish reasons (since I'm already there), but would be thrilled with a special rule for 10K users to be allowed to ask such questions. Or even making it a privilege of full 20K trusted users. It would be so valuable to be able to ask those questions that I'd be motivated to increase rep faster, too. | |
Nov 22, 2015 at 1:25 | comment | added | Robert Harvey Mod | @Jonah: So under your rule, roughly 1/2 of 1 percent of all users with more than 1 reputation would qualify to participate in these questions. | |
Nov 22, 2015 at 1:23 | comment | added | Robert Harvey Mod | @Jonah: Right. Tool recommendation questions, a subset of Big List. There are approximately 46,800 pages of users having a rep greater than 1. Of those, roughly 234 pages of those users are above 10K reputation (what I would consider enough reputation for folks to have been around long enough to understand why Big List questions are problematic). | |
Nov 22, 2015 at 1:19 | comment | added | Jonah | I'm not sure what big list questions are, but I'd like to be able to ask stuff like (recent example of the top of my head): "I'm trying to write unit tests for queries written for a sqlserver db, and i'm on a mac. I'd like to test locally, without installing parallels. is there a good tool like sqlite but which accepts sqlserver flavor SQL? if not, any other ideas?" I'd also like to be able to ask what is the best framework or tool in language X for doing Y. Again, I don't care that there's not a "right" answer. I want to hear the opinions of other experienced devs. | |
Nov 22, 2015 at 1:12 | comment | added | Robert Harvey Mod | @jonah: So your solution is to only allow high-rep users to participate in poll and big list questions? Only the low rep users are interested in such questions anyway. | |
Nov 22, 2015 at 0:51 | comment | added | Jonah | Interesting read, but I'm still not convinced it couldn't work with additional constraints -- restricting by high rep points should eliminate most of the problems that answer cites in the experiment -- silly jokes, water cooler nonsense, etc. Basically, I think it would work if the people involved were reasonable, respectful, and at least somewhat knowledgeable... which sums up the majority of high rep posters in my experience. | |
Nov 21, 2015 at 19:00 | comment | added | Robert Harvey Mod | @Jonah: You should read this: meta.stackexchange.com/a/200144 | |
Nov 20, 2015 at 18:42 | comment | added | Jonah | Also, regarding your point about the current signal to noise ratio, it would be interesting to do an analysis of page views and upvotes of closed questions. My guess is that they would amount to a significant proportion of overall views and upvotes, and thus represent a meaningful part of SO's signal. | |
Nov 20, 2015 at 18:38 | comment | added | Jonah | Yes, a very tough sell, but mainly because of the current moderation culture, not because it couldn't work. I agree it's tough for the reasons you pointed out, and the success of the existing system. I think you'd need to contain opinion questions by tag, restrict their asking by priveledge, and have a different set of (albeit looser) rules governing their closing. Basically, as long as the answers are thoughtful, evidence based, and not argumentative, they could remain open. Getting meta approval would be a massive undertaking, and would need to be led by well-respected meta members. | |
Nov 20, 2015 at 18:13 | comment | added | Robert Harvey Mod | @Jonah: You have to remember that one reason the experts are all here in the first place (and not on, say, Yahoo Answers) is that we've taken great pains to improve the signal to noise ratio, by doing things such as closing subjective questions, questions that are unclear, questions that are too broad, etc. Real questions have answers, not polls, opinion pieces or lengthy tutorials. | |
Nov 20, 2015 at 18:08 | comment | added | Robert Harvey Mod | @Jonah: Well, it's a tough sell. You're going to have to convince a lot of people that there's a way to make these questions productive (i.e. allow the ones that are likely to produce a positive result to remain open) without letting the ill-advised ones to run off the rails. The problem right now is that there's no easy/simple way to distinguish between the two. | |
Nov 20, 2015 at 17:06 | comment | added | Jonah | @RobertHarvey, water cooler popularity is often very valuable information. "Value" is not equivalent to "has an unambiguously correct answer" -- that conflation is the single biggest problem with meta and moderation on SO imo. Your claim that upvotes are not a good guide plainly contradicts my daily experience finding answers and advice on SO closed questions. The highest upvoted answer is certainly not always the best one, but the combination of upvotes, comments, and my own judgement makes extracting good information from "opinion based" questions trivial. | |
Nov 20, 2015 at 15:31 | comment | added | Robert Harvey Mod | @Jonah: Unfortunately upvotes are not a good guide for these kinds of questions. The nature of these questions makes upvoting a proxy for how popular the question is from a "water cooler" perspective, not how reliable or accurate the answers are. See also The Bikeshed Effect. | |
Nov 20, 2015 at 15:02 | comment | added | Jonah | @RobertHarvey, Okay, I can buy that. I still believe there would be some system that would allow the signal and filter the noise. Just off the top of my head, only allow people with rep of 2000+ or something to ask those types of questions. The point is, there is a class of very valuable information which is opinion based. That is, I want to see what high rep people are saying is the best tool for doing X, and see which one gets upvoted the most, and then make my own decision, even if there are 2 or more competing answers. | |
Nov 20, 2015 at 7:24 | comment | added | Robert Harvey Mod | @Jonah: That's not a representative sampling. For every question like that which becomes productive, there are 10 other questions just like it that you never see (because we get rid of them) that are just magnets for crap. | |
Nov 20, 2015 at 7:12 | comment | added | Jonah | @RobertHarvey, Did you honestly not understand that I was referring to the SE network, which not only adequately supports these questions, but would be the best place on the internet to ask them, as the innumerable, highly upvoted but closed as off-topic tool questions attest. | |
Nov 20, 2015 at 7:00 | comment | added | Robert Harvey Mod | @Jonah: What do you mean? slant.co happily accepts such questions, and I daresay they get good results, because their platform adequately supports these types of questions. | |
Nov 20, 2015 at 6:57 | comment | added | Jonah | It is absurd that there is no place, no tag, no anything where such questions can be asked. | |
Oct 20, 2015 at 3:37 | comment | added | nhahtdh | @retorquere: The need is definitely there, I agree. However, from my experience when evaluating database systems for the project at my current company, it's usually the case that the asker does not provide enough information, and the answerer only knows about one particular product, and in some cases, the answerer only hears about the product without actually trying out themselves. If the use case is too specific, the question is only useful to the OP. If the use case is too broad, it becomes a list of products regardless of relevancy. | |
Sep 11, 2015 at 10:45 | comment | added | retorquere | Right: what if you know you want a library (no sense in re-inventing the wheel) but you either find a plethora of them without knowing which will fit the bill, or you have no idea where to start looking? This is not only a programming question, it's an exceedingly important one to, as @robert puts it, solve a programming problem. Such questions swiftly get down-voted by the Downvote Brigade, even if the person posing the question (such as me) is not in fact "looking for opinion" but relevant experience. | |
Feb 27, 2015 at 14:44 | comment | added | Jeffrey Bosboom | Part of me thinks we should offer Software Recs as an alternative in the close reason, like we do with Super User -- but then we probably shouldn't refer people to Super User either. | |
Feb 27, 2015 at 14:07 | history | edited | gnat | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
http://softwarerecs.stackexchange.com += help/on-topic
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Jan 27, 2015 at 10:14 | comment | added | Ian | Never even know Software Recommendations existed! | |
Jan 19, 2015 at 18:45 | comment | added | Robert Harvey Mod | You can't filter out the bikeshedding. Moderating these kinds of posts consumes a disproportionate amount of time and takes the focus away from the primary goal of the site, which is to solve programming problems. | |
Jan 19, 2015 at 18:31 | comment | added | Taylor | Something tells me "Amazon Reviews" isn't going to find me a good cross platform unit testing framework. And Google leads me back to a closed SO question (LOL!). "Software Recommendations" looks too general. Why not try to improve SO's resistance to spam rather than have these draconian rules? | |
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Apr 1, 2014 at 16:32 | vote | accept | CommunityBot | ||
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Apr 1, 2014 at 15:37 | history | answered | Robert HarveyMod | CC BY-SA 3.0 |