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Jun 11, 2017 at 7:02 comment added Louis Loudog Trottier how does «i't tells me, the reader looking for a good answer, that I should look at the other answers first. I generally find this sort of education very useful.» answer OP's question about downvote on QUESTIONS? (yes i downvoted your answer as it does NOT answer the question but still is the top voted one.)
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Jul 25, 2016 at 11:48 comment added Robert R Evans Well, that was frank @Shog9
Jul 20, 2016 at 21:05 comment added Shog9 No. A problem would be asking an actual, good question and having it rejected, @Robert.
Jul 20, 2016 at 20:14 comment added Robert R Evans @Shog9 I completely agree with you. Do you understand my point that asking what seems to be a perfectly good question, and having that rejected, is problematic?
Jul 19, 2016 at 16:59 comment added Shog9 Your logic appears to be "we want Q&A -> this requires questions -> therefore, all questions are an asset." However, this assumes that all questions can be answered and that all answers are useful, @Robert. In truth, there are many questions that are effectively unanswerable, many questions that are off-topic (and thus many questions whose answers are not useful to programmers). For example, we've no desire to encourage questions that are essentially rants about the government, nor questions which are incomplete or unclear. Not everyone is able to ask good questions; better to discourage them.
Jul 19, 2016 at 13:12 comment added Robert R Evans @Shog9 I'm afraid I am not understanding you. I thought the point of the forum was to ask questions and receive answers. It follows immediately that discouraging questions is counter to the goals. Perhaps you meant "we want to discourage STUPID questions". Unfortunately, if the questioner understood that his question is "stupid", he would probably already know the answer. See the circular logic there?
Jul 14, 2016 at 20:20 comment added Shog9 Wait, why do we not want to discourage questions, @Robert?
Jul 14, 2016 at 15:15 comment added Robert R Evans "It tells me, the reader looking for a good answer, that I should look at the other answers first" seems to be an observation about downvoted answers. That is a rather different issue for a number of reasons, the most salient of which is that it discourages questions - the LAST thing we want to do
Feb 5, 2016 at 19:48 comment added Pancho @Shog9 - A very cogent argument. I'm now firmly convinced that playing God and down-voting silently is a great thing that benefits everyone. Thank you for enlightening me. That was a joke ...mostly.
Feb 5, 2016 at 19:37 comment added Shog9 Just me, when I'm downvoting, @Pancho. That was a joke... Mostly. However, if your desire for downvote explanations is based purely on the assumption that the posts are correct and the downvoters wrong and you wish to argue with them... Then forgive me for not wishing to spend my entire day in endless Internet arguments. I remain convinced that it is more important to ensure readers are shown useful posts than it is to ensure every confused author has his hand held gently while he learns. Take some initiative and do your own research.
Feb 5, 2016 at 19:35 comment added Pancho @Shog9 "that they're terribly tragically wrong"? Sorry but that is both arrogant and complete nonsense. Are you saying that downvoters are somehow "more right" than the people they are downvoting? The entire point of SO is sharing knowledge. If someone is wrong, fine. If you can take the time to read the article, you can take the time to provide a reason. If you can't then you shouldn't be downvoting. I have no issue with anonymity, but it's both lazy and simply rude to downvote without comment and deny viewers the right to form educated conclusions.
Jul 1, 2015 at 13:04 comment added Saveendra Ekanayake This is helpful to me...
Jun 27, 2015 at 1:38 comment added cardiff space man Your answer refers to downvotes on answers. Whatever point you may have had is greatly reduced by being attached to the wrong question. The question is about question downvotes.
Mar 11, 2015 at 4:57 comment added Shog9 I gave you the link not to make you aware of the concept, @Happy, but to give you the history behind it since that's what you're asking about.
Mar 11, 2015 at 2:52 comment added Masked Man @Shog9 If I know about the serial downvoting script, then it is likely that I also know about voting fraud. Anyway, thanks for posting the link. Nonetheless, my whole point here is that if it is okay to vote as you like, then voting fraud should also be okay. A downvote by itself on a question doesn't help the asker in any way. Sure, a downvote tells him something needs to be fixed, but unless he knows what that is, he can only resort to random guessing, which doesn't usually make things better.
Mar 10, 2015 at 18:33 comment added Shog9 blog.stackoverflow.com/2008/12/vote-fraud-and-you @Happy
Mar 10, 2015 at 16:41 comment added Masked Man I just downvoted all of your questions on meta.SO, without even reading the question, because apparently I am free to use my votes as I like. I know this will get reversed by the serial downvoting script or whatever. By the way, if we are free to use our votes as we like, why is there a need for a script to track serial upvotes & downvotes? :P
Mar 3, 2015 at 19:34 comment added barclay -1 and i'm not telling you why, figure it out for yourself
Jul 5, 2014 at 18:59 comment added László Papp This answer completely misses the point. Encouraging is not a replacement for being mandatory. They are different levels, one is fundamentally b0rked, and the other is actually preventing the mess. Furthermore, votes have no value without reasons. Now, real reasons in comments do have values that tell the reader why that answer is wrong. Anonymous downvoting is a genius idea - although non-anonmyous is even much better - if it is only mandatory when you do not upvote a comment that already explains the flaw with the answer.
May 28, 2014 at 3:24 comment added Victor Thanks for your time @Shog9. We have definitively distinct points of view.
May 28, 2014 at 3:19 comment added Shog9 Then vote your conscience, @Victor. You should not let me or anyone else tell you how or when to vote.
May 28, 2014 at 3:16 comment added Victor Okey for you @Shog9, but i do not share that point of view. It would be good to start a pool "do you think that downvoting without comments is a good practice?" Answers : Yes/No.
May 28, 2014 at 3:13 comment added Shog9 When I vote, @Victor, I'm voting for the benefit of other readers like myself. If this also benefits the author of the post I'm voting on, great! ...But that's not why I'm voting. If I feel like taking the time to educate the author, I'll leave a comment.
May 28, 2014 at 3:08 comment added Victor 'it can be used by folks writing answers as a way to educate themselves, but that's more of a nice side-effect than anything'.. for my comprehension of the human nature of education is not a side-effect is the very essence that makes us better, "by helping others, you help yourself"
May 28, 2014 at 3:00 comment added Victor @Shog9, you didn't answer the question. What is the educational value for the one who DID the question and really try hard to make it good? In a more precise way, do you think that downvoting without comments is a good practice? BTW, i think this site is for find answer to question, not a warehouse of sorted acknowledge, why don't contribute with wikipedia instead if you are looking to organize and store entries of well and correct data.
Apr 17, 2014 at 20:08 comment added Shog9 We do have a few situations where we'll suggest boilerplate comments for answers, but they're all situations where the answer probably shouldn't have been posted at all - in other words, answers that are not even wrong but rather wholly inappropriate. What good is a boilerplate comment for an answer that is simply incorrect or unhelpful? Surely, if you're looking to educate, you would wish for someone to point out technical inaccuracies or suggest specific areas for improvement!
Apr 17, 2014 at 20:04 comment added TaW You do have a point here. Which is exactly why I suggested a boilerplate comment/answer/reason in my OP. There could be a number of checkboxes, for those pressed for time. Maybe there are - I have not yet downvoted anything beyond a comment. Unfortunately I have quite often found that folks are so pressed for time they don't even take the time to read the questions properly. Oh and I wasn't aiming so much at downvoted answers but at downvoted questions! My fault for not spelling that out.
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