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Problem

As of now, the tag (supposed to be used for the HTML-element) is misused for question regarding

  • Facebook/ different products by Facebook (aka. Meta. Given the relative recency of Facebook's rebranding, this issue is with newer questions.)
  • The package named "meta" in the programming language R

Proposed solution

Make a synonym for

As per suggestion in the comments, should be burninated (again) and then blocked from being created.

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    There are 1.6k questions tagged meta. And 1.1k of them don't include HTML. Is [meta] really just about [meta-tags]?
    – VLAZ
    Feb 27, 2023 at 11:39
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    I, personally, don't see how Meta (the company) is on-topic. There's a reason we don't have a [microsoft] tag, for example. The use of [meta] with [facebook] seems to be tagging for the sake of tagging the company name, where as [facebook] is meant for when developing apps for Facebook.
    – Thom A
    Feb 27, 2023 at 11:39
  • According to it's description ("Meta elements are the HTML or XHTML <meta … > element used to provide structured metadata about a Web page"), @VLAZ, it's supposed to be, however, it's clearly not being used that way (as users don't know how to read). Rather than a synonym, it seems that disambiguation is needed, if r is involved in many of the questions.
    – Thom A
    Feb 27, 2023 at 11:41
  • @VLAZ in theory yes. But as you pointed out not in practice. As is, the tag is pretty much useless. That why it should be made a synonym.
    – A-Tech
    Feb 27, 2023 at 11:47
  • @A-Tech making it a synonym doesn't solve the problem as it stands though; if [meta] should be a synonym of [meta-tags] then first any questions with the wrong tags need to be addressed. If there are ~1,100 questions incorrectly tagged with [meta] making it a synonym would make about 30% of the questions tagged with [meta-tags] have the wrong tag, as many should be tagged with a tag appropriate for r's meta package (if one is needed) or have the tag removed as it's referencing a company not a technology.
    – Thom A
    Feb 27, 2023 at 11:59
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    I'd be more inclined to burn/disambiguate than to rename
    – Zoe is on strike Mod
    Feb 27, 2023 at 12:20
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    Based on personal experience, making it a synonym won't really solve the issue of mistagging because most new users do not read/care about the tag excerpt.
    – Andrew T.
    Feb 27, 2023 at 12:22
  • "That why it should be made a synonym." no? It means that you'll move all the Facebook-related questions (and other non-HTML) to be with in the same place as the HTML questions. Which you'd recognise is the situation right now. Synonym means that the two tags are exactly the same with exactly the same usage and any question already tagged [meta] should have been tagged [meta-tag] instead. And according to your own question that's not the case. Hence synonym doesn't make any sense here. It should be disambiguated at the very least at first. Probably burninated.
    – VLAZ
    Feb 27, 2023 at 12:23
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    Oh, gets better... seems that tag was already removed. See revision #2 from 2012 (points to this MSE question but I get a 404 for it). Then in 2013 (revision #4) it was made to be about meta tags. I suspect the tag wiki update wasn't correct according to the usage at that point. So, it seems like nobody really cleared what the tag was about. A tag wiki was added but didn't match usages from before it
    – VLAZ
    Feb 27, 2023 at 12:35
  • I'm happy to participate in tag cleanup first, so we can get down to a clean set of questions that are about <meta> tags, and then synonymize it, if that's what people are for. We have meta-tags, metadata, and metaprogramming. Are there other on-topic uses of the term "meta" that need to be declared?
    – TylerH
    Feb 27, 2023 at 15:56
  • @TylerH Something called "Clojure meta". Sounds convincingly like an actual term but I've no familiarity with Clojure. Also meta-boxes - something to do with Wordpress.
    – VLAZ
    Feb 27, 2023 at 16:06
  • @TylerH maybe something along the lines of a new r-package-meta -tag?
    – A-Tech
    Feb 27, 2023 at 16:09
  • @VLAZ That is covered by metadata; it refers to preserving or attaching metadata to objects.
    – TylerH
    Feb 27, 2023 at 16:09
  • @A-Tech I think an r-meta or r-meta-package tag would be good.
    – TylerH
    Feb 27, 2023 at 16:11
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    Also, I've seen several questions tagged [meta] presumably because they are about a "wider subject" in general. Example of one (just the latest I found): Why would I use an SSIS package in SQL Server 2008 as opposed to some other technology? The only hit for "meta" on the page is the tag. Few others I saw seem similar in that they don't talk about a thing called meta. Just a "meta question", is my best guess for the usage. For those the tag should just be dropped.
    – VLAZ
    Feb 27, 2023 at 16:45

2 Answers 2

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Since it has been removed and 'do-not-used' once before back in 2012 or 2013, a suggestion on what to do with this time around is as follows:

  1. Cleanup the tag. Existing tags that questions can be retagged as:

    Questions about classes named Meta (like Django) can have the tag removed.

    Off-topic questions can be closed to be deleted.

  2. Remove and blacklist the tag.

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  • Hmm, what about Open Graph meta tags? They are meta tags but very specialised. Is a new tag needed? In either case, I see a lot of questions about Open Graph tagged [facebook] which should be [facebook-opengraph] instead.
    – VLAZ
    Feb 27, 2023 at 17:10
  • Also is it really the best decision to drop the [meta] tag on questions that concern the class Meta concept in Django? Maybe [metadata] fits but it does seem to be a distinct concept and I've seen a few questions that are directly about Django and Meta.
    – VLAZ
    Feb 27, 2023 at 17:26
  • @VLAZ We don't have tags for classes in other languages do we? I know C# doesn't have them for namespaces for example. EDIT: OK, maybe it does, unfortunately. Just the language tag and maybe a tag covering the concept relevant to OP's problem/question should be enough, I think.
    – TylerH
    Feb 27, 2023 at 20:20
  • Bonus points for setting up relevant tag combinations for automation; if we can get CMs to handle the bulk of the renames via database magic, we'd save a lot of manual work. The more we don't have to retag manually, the better
    – Zoe is on strike Mod
    Feb 27, 2023 at 21:12
  • @ZoestandswithUkraine Do you have an example of what you mean? Something like "this question with meta is also tagged with php therefore retag meta on it to php-meta, no matter what"?
    – TylerH
    Feb 27, 2023 at 22:36
  • It doesn't have to be on a per-question level (there's thousands of them after all), but this mainly applies to obvious targets. For instance, we can trivially assume [html][meta] refers to [meta-tags], so this would be a candidate for automation. If there's any other similar claims that can be made, those would apply. If there's some that mostly apply, we can fix the outliers manually and apply the claim to the rest. For instance if [python][django] overwhelmingly refers to Django's meta class, whatever that works there would be applicable, and the outliers can be manually handled
    – Zoe is on strike Mod
    Feb 27, 2023 at 22:41
  • Other stuff also applies; automatically removing the tag from everything else is also fine (and probably useful; synonyms can be sorted out separately if needed)
    – Zoe is on strike Mod
    Feb 27, 2023 at 22:42
  • Or simply, a list of [meta][sometag] with some action applied, such as replacing [meta] with a more applicable tag, if that tag also makes sense to have. Vaving "remove the tag from everything else" probably makes sense here as well, seeing as the goal is to get rid of the tag, but it really depends on how much needs to be manually handled. If there's a lot, it might be easier to auto-retag and blacklist first, and review the rest later, but it really doesn't matter as long as there's a way to keep track of progression.
    – Zoe is on strike Mod
    Feb 27, 2023 at 22:49
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The tag doesn't really meet the burnination criteria, since (according to the tag usage guidance at least) it unambiguously refers to a very specific, on-topic concept (the HTML meta tags). I do think that the tag is poorly named, though, which appears to be leading to a lot of confusion on how to use it. The fact that the tag usage guidance is quite clear about how it's supposed to be used doesn't really help much because most people don't read tag usage guidance.

Given that there's already a tag that's in widespread use (over 2,300 questions of today), this tag appears to be 100% redundant anyway. That being said, I'd definitely support a retag effort and just blacklisting the tag.

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