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In the last few hours, I have raised five (5) flags in SO and five (5) flags in Data Science SE (DSSE), all of them concerning systematic plagiarism (and attempts of) by a specific user.

In brief:

  • Said user sees an SO question, posts an exact copy to DSSE, gets an answer there, then comes back here and posts this answer word by word (including a clarification in the comments) without attribution; FWIW, they don't not even bother to accept (or even upvote) the DSSE answer they plagiarize, while they prompt the OP in SO to "tick my answer as correct" (and end up with 3 upvotes).
  • User does the exact same thing as above with another SO question - only difference is that now they accept the answer offered at DSSE (no upvote though); plagiarized answer at SO gets accepted and 3 upvotes.
  • User sees a DSSE question, posts an exact copy here at SO, gets an answer, then goes back at DSSE and posts this answer again word by word without attribution. Again FWIW, and in contrast with the relatively short answers of the previous bullet, this answer is a long and comprehensive one, including quotes and code snippets.
  • User sees a question in SO with a bounty of 50, posts an exact copy to DSSE without attribution, but unfortunately (!) they don't get any answers there, so the act stops here
  • User does the exact same thing as in the last bullet above with three (3) more SO questions, this time without bounties; again, no answers at DSSE, hence no further acts here at SO

With one justifiable exception, all these flags here and at DSSE were found helpful and accepted.

The result?

  • At DSSE, user gets only a temporal suspension for plagiarism for 7 days
  • Here at SO, nothing; user maintains their ~ 650 rep, and they are let loose to leave comments around, accusing me of "taking advantage of your reputation"...

So, to break down the question in the title:

  • Isn't it clear that here we have a case of systematic, intentional, recurring, and planned plagiarism practice, aiming at gaining undeserved reputation across SE, which, had it gone unnoticed, could have gone on for who knows how long for? Or is it just my idea?
  • If yes, what more is needed in order to permanently suspend such a user?

And to conclude, will I find myself eventually in the defensive, trying to complain for retaliation to people unwilling to listen?

Just asking... Because if I find myself in such a situation in the future, it would be obvious that I have done something very wrong...

UPDATE

Buried in the comments in Rob's answer below (and while I still keep on finding similar plagiarism cases in the said user's posts, including from sources outside SE), it turns out that the said user got a written warning (by email). Seems that these mods at DSSE are extremists indeed...

All in all, the question boils down to a definition issue: what exactly counts as first offense? It is the first time one does something wrong, or just the first time one gets caught, despite the fact that one may have multiple violations? Common sense suggests the former, however mods here have handled the situation according to the latter..

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  • Were these custom flags you raised, giving full details?
    – TRiG
    Nov 11, 2019 at 23:26
  • I mean... unless the flags are getting declined.... i'd suggest just waiting. I'd assume the flag volume here is much larger.
    – Kevin B
    Nov 11, 2019 at 23:28
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    @TRiG Yes, and they were "linked" ("please see my previous X custom flags"); I don't have any serious doubt that mods have the full picture (Brad Larson accepted the first 2 flags here)
    – desertnaut
    Nov 11, 2019 at 23:29
  • Also mind that two different mods are handling these flags, since "Mod on SO" couldn't handle your flags on DSSE and vice versa. So their decisions on which action should be taken can differ.
    – Tom
    Nov 11, 2019 at 23:32
  • FYI people almost never get permabanned for a first offense. IF this person continues to misbehave after their current suspension they'll get longer and longer time outs until finally shown the door. Nov 11, 2019 at 23:48
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    @DanNeely well, first he has to get banned, which hasn't happened here, at least yet! And it is arguable if all this behavior can count as one single (hence first) offense, right?
    – desertnaut
    Nov 11, 2019 at 23:50
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    Ah, so the rabbit hole is deeper. It would be nice if I could blacklist such a user so I would not see his questions anymore.
    – tukan
    Nov 12, 2019 at 7:03
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    I don't want to disappoint you, but even suspending won't help much if staff will helpfully merge all accounts created to circumvent the suspension into the main account and the user can just continue using the network as if nothing happened meta.stackexchange.com/questions/334398/… Nov 12, 2019 at 12:08
  • @samcarter thanks; but it's not a matter of me being disappointed or not, of course, neither it is to play the police detectives or something
    – desertnaut
    Nov 12, 2019 at 12:09

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Firstly, we don't do permanent suspensions on Stack Exchange except for very extreme cases and even then, the suspensions still have a set (albeit long) duration. Suspensions over a year cannot be applied by elected moderators.

The moderators on Stack Overflow tend to follow the following escalation process for problematic users (with a bit of wiggle room for moderator discretion):

  1. Warning. This is a message sent via Stack Overflow and via email, and will be permanently attached to the account for future moderators to view. This step is not visible to the public - which means that a user may have been warned, but the flagger may incorrectly believe no action was taken.
  2. 7 day suspension
  3. 30 day suspension
  4. 1 year suspension

We rarely jump straight to suspensions without a warning, as we've found that warning first results in a better response from the user - having them more willing to change their ways. If a user continues the same problematic behaviour after being warned, that is when suspensions will begin to be applied.

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    @desertnaut Death threats, repeatedly posting extreme abuse/bigotry, chronic suspension evader, and so on.
    – Rob Mod
    Nov 12, 2019 at 0:35
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    @desertnaut Your original flags were handled by another moderator, and yes, the process written above was followed. I handled your most recent flag - but as their post happened in the past, it wouldn't make sense to escalate further now. If they continue to post plagiarism, please flag again, and we'll escalate as necessary
    – Rob Mod
    Nov 12, 2019 at 0:39
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    With all due respect, I think you are kidding me... :(
    – desertnaut
    Nov 12, 2019 at 0:39
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    As written above, we've found users are more receptive to feedback from warnings than a suspension. We're not in the business of punishing users, we're in the business of cleaning up messes and guiding people to become more productive members of the community. If they continue after being explicitly warned, that's when we need to take further steps. If they don't, well then, I'd call that a success
    – Rob Mod
    Nov 12, 2019 at 0:44
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    None of us is in the business of punishing people, but certainly at least one of us (that would be me, of course) seems, at the end of the day, to have done something very wrong. I honestly hope you are right, but if I start getting retaliation downvotes, I will kindly ping you here, hoping that you will not claim that it is "another story" or "that's life at SO"...
    – desertnaut
    Nov 12, 2019 at 0:56
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    @desertnaut: Even if we did suspend the user here, that's not going to stop them from seeing and stealing content from here. A network suspension isn't going to help much either, unless the staff decide not to welcome them to even read the network anymore. But that's up to their discretion. The most we can do is escalate.
    – BoltClock
    Nov 12, 2019 at 2:34
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    @desertnaut: Oh, damn it. So the plagiarism is occurring on both sites. Then I don't understand why each site is handling this inconsistently.
    – BoltClock
    Nov 12, 2019 at 5:43
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    Different sites, different moderators. For all we know the mods on DataScience had warned that user before and/or had other additional reasons to suspend. Don’t assume you know the full picture here.
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Nov 12, 2019 at 8:56
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    @MartijnPieters forget DSSE, the real question here is: what exactly counts as first offense? It is the first time one does something wrong, or just the first time one gets caught, despite the fact that one may have multiple violations? Common sense suggests the former, however here you have handled the situation according to the latter...
    – desertnaut
    Nov 12, 2019 at 9:37
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    @desertnaut There is no black and white answer here, and is moderators have leeway to take different actions in different situations. However, other sites have their own moderators and actions on another site are under the “jurisdiction” of other moderators. For me, everything before us mods finding problematic behaviour we want to see corrected is a first offence; just because the user has plagiarised multiple posts doesn’t change that. That doesn’t mean I won’t hand out a suspension just because it’s a first offence.
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Nov 12, 2019 at 10:00
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    @desertnaut and moderators do often share details of user behaviour with other site moderators, if we see a pattern repeated on another site. However, as other mods have said: our primary goal is to keep our sites clean, not to hand out punishments. I completely agree that behaviour like this is pretty appalling, but you have to accept how we handle this. We don’t give out suspensions just because you feel the behaviour is heinous and deserves stronger punishment.
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Nov 12, 2019 at 10:03
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    What I mean is: if we have caught a user plagiarising, their total body of plagiarised posts up to the point we contact them is one offence. They may or may not have known that what they were doing was wrong. I personally have still suspended users on first offence if I find exceptionally large numbers of plagiarism, or that our community has been telling them in comments that it’s bad and they then tried to obfuscate their copies, or have been using sock puppets, etc. But multiple plagiarised posts doesn’t count as multiple offences.
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Nov 12, 2019 at 11:07
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    Personally, I only send a warning once I find at least a second instance of plagiarism. Copying a single post is easily cleaned up. The moment I find two, and so know there is a pattern, we know we have a problem that needs correcting for.
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Nov 12, 2019 at 11:08
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    @desertnaut: I just have the feeling you passionately want a certain outcome from all this. I'm not telling you not to discuss this, just trying to manage expectations. Know that we are aware of the user and their antics, and that we are handling it. Also, we can't go into details on individual cases.
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Nov 12, 2019 at 12:21
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    @desertnaut: sorry if I made you feel you were in the wrong, that was not my intention. I can't express, ever, how thankful I really am for you, and our community as a whole, in helping us find cases of plagiarism. Plagiarism clean-ups are largely manual affairs, so I'm always extremely grateful for people helping us find every single individual case of copying!
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Nov 12, 2019 at 15:29

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