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I've been invited to join a . On the “Finish creating your Team profile” screen, I'm asked to select an avatar and a name, and told:

Avatar
This will also update your Stack Overflow public account avatar.

Full Name
This will also update your Developer Story and any other Teams you may have joined.

This mixes at least three different identities and I'm puzzled as to what the connection is supposed to be. There's:

  • My “developer story” name, i.e. the name I'd use when looking for a job.
  • My identity on Stack Exchange, through my avatar.
  • My name on the team I'm joining.
  • My name on other teams that I've joined.

My identity on Stack Exchange and the identity I use when looking for a job are different. So it seems that I can't join a team. Surely this isn't desired behavior?

(If I have to tie my Stack Exchange identity to my legal name, I'm out of here.)

I think this is partially a duplicate of My public display name in a Channel shouldn't be tied to my Private Information Full Name but I'm not sure whether we're talking about the same thing and that earlier question doesn't consider all the identities involved.

Why doesn't this screen just ask me to select a name and avatar, and not update anything outside the team I'm joining?

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    Yeah, this is super annoying. I just changed my real name to the name folks know me by and gave up using my legal name anywhere on SO.
    – Shog9
    Commented May 21, 2018 at 22:46
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    Wait your given name at birth wasn't Shog9?
    – Davy M
    Commented May 21, 2018 at 23:17
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    @DavyM he evolved overtime from Shog1 to Shog9.
    – Bhargav Rao Mod
    Commented May 22, 2018 at 2:03
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    Oh okay I thought he was a 9th generation Shog. I'm glad to get that cleared up.
    – Davy M
    Commented May 22, 2018 at 2:52
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    The real question is if he's from outer space.
    – ivarni
    Commented May 22, 2018 at 5:08
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    I just deleted my only team because of this :-/
    – Sklivvz
    Commented May 22, 2018 at 6:46
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    This is literally the only thing stopping me from joining the mods team.
    – corsiKa
    Commented May 22, 2018 at 16:28
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    After 40-50 years of people using pseudo-anonymous avatars for online interaction, it's amazing to me how many supposedly internet-savvy companies repeatedly screw this up. And I say this as someone who generally uses my legal name online! Commented May 23, 2018 at 12:02
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    If joining a team really does this, as opposed to this being a misunderstanding, how could even a junior programmer write the messages quoted above without raising a red flag for the team / management?! A designer wireframing it? A tester testing it? The sheer number of people who had to be complicit, at least by omission, in enabling that behavior -- again, if it's really there -- truly boggles the mind. Commented May 23, 2018 at 12:21
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    @T.J.Crowder: If everyone involved is under 30 I'm not surprised. People these days have grown up with different expectations of online identity. I blame Facebook. I don't even understand why people trust LinkedIn
    – slebetman
    Commented May 23, 2018 at 12:27
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    @ZoharPeled: If you were on the internet in the 90s or early 2000s the standard advice is to never reveal anything about yourself IRL because it is extremely dangerous. Therefore a lot of the people I myself know online I only know via nicknames. It was considered insane back then to reveal any detail that might lead to actual details about yourself IRL. Actually things have not improved. It is now much worse to reveal details about yourself. That's the whole point of doxing. It's just people got used to it. All my employees use their real names online.
    – slebetman
    Commented May 23, 2018 at 13:09
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    @RobertPounder: Because you are revealing not only your real name but also where you work and where you are physically in the world. That notion is crazy to me
    – slebetman
    Commented May 23, 2018 at 13:10
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    @ZoharPeled Actually it is. Back when "chat rooms and message boards" were first starting to exist my parents didn't want me using them for the exact same reasons used for "don't talk to strangers." Commented May 23, 2018 at 15:07
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    Google, Facebook, etc. - they came not to praise the old Internet culture, but to bury it.
    – user2404501
    Commented May 23, 2018 at 15:14
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    Wow, still no actual reply from SE? Commented May 25, 2018 at 8:54

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We shipped a change today that completely separates your Stack Overflow public profile from your Teams profiles.

  1. We added a site switcher dropdown to the Edit Profile page so that users with Teams can customize their profile per team. We do not sync any settings on this page between Stack Overflow public and Teams. Updating your Real Name on Stack Overflow public does not update your display name nor real name on your Teams. enter image description here

  2. The "Finish creating your Team profile" page during Teams onboarding does not sync the avatar and full name to the Stack Overflow public profile.

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    Thank you! Can you confirm that the team profile is also independent from the developer story? Commented Jun 25, 2019 at 20:55
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    @Gilles correct. Changes to a Teams profile does not affect developer story.
    – jisoo shin StaffMod
    Commented Jun 25, 2019 at 21:26
  • Is this still valid in 2022? I can't seem to find the dropdown to edit my profiles, despite both using the same email adress.
    – jzadra
    Commented Dec 15, 2022 at 19:01
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So... I commented when this was posted, but it deserves a real response.

First of all, this is a legitimate concern, and not just on those rare Teams composed of various people from The Internet who normally know each other by pseudonym; it's extremely common for groups of co-workers to adopt nicknames, short names, etc. simply to make working together easier:

  • co-workers may share first names or even initials
  • co-workers may find using full names cumbersome
  • cultural reasons that I'm not really qualified to comment on but have encountered in various workplaces
  • some names may simply be hard to pronounce or remember for peers from other cultures
  • many workplaces simply respect their employees' desires to go by a name of their choosing, for whatever reasons apply

Naturally, we should be sympathetic to these needs; just because you might want your full name listed on your CV doesn't make it appropriate for day-to-day conversations with your team, much less every team that you might be a part of.

I'm told that the folks working on Stack Overflow for Teams have this issue high on their list of things to fix, and also that it is "Really Hard™".

So for now, I apologize for the inconvenience and lack of forethought in this area, and hope you'll be willing to give it another shot when eventually this is corrected.

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    Speaking as a programmer, I am boggled by the idea that making it possible to modify a property that is for display only, not structured in any way, and has no uniqueness requirement so can't be used as an identifier anywhere, would be “Really Hard™”. Commented May 31, 2018 at 19:32
  • I'm gonna assume that the hard bit here is designing a UI (perhaps that long-overdue "defaults and local overrides" thing we've been needing since '10?). A channel is in most ways just another site, sorta like child-metas but rather more integrated - so there's already a place to store the value, it just needs a plan for when that should/shouldn't sync with the parent. A sensible way to edit that without duplicating everything else may be a bit trickier.
    – Shog9
    Commented Jun 1, 2018 at 3:26
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    Hi Shog, any idea when this will get fixed? It's pretty frustrating when so many other tasks have been held off so that devs could focus on teams only for them to leave this flaw in what they're focusing on. Commented Sep 6, 2018 at 1:05
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    I'm afraid I've no idea, @curiousdannii; I'll post an update here when I hear something.
    – Shog9
    Commented Sep 6, 2018 at 2:25
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    Pinging again. Any movement? Commented Jun 12, 2019 at 19:42
  • @LightnessRacesinOrbit It has "moved": meta.stackoverflow.com/a/386450/1478931 :)
    – V2Blast
    Commented Jun 26, 2019 at 2:30
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This behaviour looks troublesome to me. Let's say I join a Team comprised of coworkers. In that case, a Team identity based on my real name that coexists with my older pseudonymous Stack Overflow identity should be an entirely natural thing to have. It shouldn't be necessary to give up one in order to have the other.

This answer to a related question implies the tying in of identities is, at least in part, by design. This other answer provides some further details and mentions plans to uncouple at least the full name from the Teams display name. It would be useful to know more about the odds of further mitigation measures.

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