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This answer was deleted by moderators, I believe by mistake. While it's short, it absolutely perfectly answers the question. The question currently has no other answers.

Related to this: I think deleting answers should be done more carefully. In this case, the author who put significant effort to answer the question (they actually opened an SO account just for that!), didn't even get a chance to edit their question, they simply saw their answer gone within 3 hours after posting it.

And of course the OP who asked the question, and a couple people (other than me) who upvoted that question, didn't get a chance to see the perfect answer to the question (the OP doesn't have 10k rep). Overall, a very sad outcome.

Screenshot of the answer below. I'm told it's ok to post it.

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Please note that the OP didn't ask for a complicated implementation; they clearly preferred a simple/official way to achieve their goal. So the perfect answer would be a reference to the package/module/class that does what they want. That reference was provided in plain text and in a URL link.

What else should be added to this answer to make it acceptable? I've been on SO for almost 10 years, and still wouldn't know how to improve this answer. For the person who went to the trouble of answering, this was the first post, so it's even harder for them to see what they did wrong.

The only thing I would think of adding is an example of usage, but it won't solve the problem that if the package is renamed or gone, the answer will no longer be useful. I think that's just the nature of questions about how to do something with an existing API.

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    I don't see how this deletion is problematic. The question asks how do perform a certain technique with TensorFlow, the answer is just "use this module" + a link. That is very unlikely to stand by itself.
    – E_net4
    Mar 27, 2019 at 8:59
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    That kind of answer might decided as "link-only answer", which may be useless if the link has been stripped out from the post. You should include little bit of details which explained inside the link and provide link just for further reading. Mar 27, 2019 at 8:59
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    Sure, but shouldn't the person who answered it be given a chance to update the answer? The answer was deleted within less than 3 hours.
    – max
    Mar 27, 2019 at 9:00
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    @TetsuyaYamamoto It's not link-only. It has, in plain text, the name of the package and module. Package/ module can change of course, but what else do you expect someone to say? Copy/paste implementation? The OP clearly preferred an official way to do it, so copying the code wouldn't be the right thing to do.
    – max
    Mar 27, 2019 at 9:01
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    Clearly, this amazingly disrupting answer to an otherwise unanswered question needed to be nuked from orbit as quickly as possible to protect the innocent. No need to let votes do the talking first.
    – Gimby
    Mar 27, 2019 at 9:14
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    I really don't understand your definition of "perfect". This answer is not off-topic, yes, but it is neither perfect nor even good. It is slightly above low quality. That you don't see how to improve this answer is really strange. The obvious answer for that is: implementation example. The comment under the answer even mentions that as well.
    – Tom
    Mar 27, 2019 at 9:40
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    @Tom Just to double check, by "implementation example" I assume you mean how to call the API provided in tf.contrib.stateless, so something like tf.random.stateless_normal([2, 2], seed=42)? If so, I'm puzzled why you think it's valuable. The hard part was finding that the package exists; using it is absolutely trivial. There's an unfortunate risk that the package may be gone one day, thus making the answer useless; but that risk seems unavoidable regardless of any changes to the answer.
    – max
    Mar 27, 2019 at 9:57
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    I'm also puzzled by the statement "absolutely perfectly". I'm also puzzled why do you think the exampl wouldn't be valuable. The purpose of the question is to be useful to a broad public. If that link doesn't work anymore, the answer will become completely useless. It is a link-only answer and as such discouraged. The criteria for that are clear. The answer must stand on its own. Deleting the answer within few hours is another issue that can be discussed, but the quality of the answer is undisputable, it is indeed low.
    – cezar
    Mar 27, 2019 at 11:58
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    'The answer must stand on its own.' - This answer does, maybe the link may or may not become useless but the answer clearly states which module the OP needs to use to solve their problem thus answering the question. It is an answer, maybe VLQ (to some) but it should be voted on, not deleted. 'Deleting the answer within few hours is another issue that can be discussed, but the quality of the answer is undisputable, it is indeed low.' - and it has been the practice to vote on low-quality posts, not outright delete them.
    – Script47
    Mar 27, 2019 at 12:00
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    I deleted the answer because it was a link to a tool/module as an answer, along with the name of it. It was discussed on meta earlier that linking to modules should demonstrate how it solves the problem in the answer itself. The question has a clear requirement. If the answer provided even a small description of how to do it, rather than just pointing to the module, then I would not have deleted it. Also regarding your flag on that question asking the same, another moderator declined it stating the same reason as mine. Mar 27, 2019 at 14:36
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    The bottom line here is: if you can't be arsed to write more than a single sentence and then drop a link, yet post it as an answer instead of a comment, then expect bad things to happen to that answer. There is just no way this answer could be valuable to the site. If deleted, no loss. Move on with your lives, there's no need to start another crap-hugger debate hurling TLA's around. NAA or VLQ? Who cares, it is a POS answer.
    – Lundin
    Mar 27, 2019 at 15:15
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    The V in VLQ seems to be left out quite a bit.
    – Script47
    Mar 27, 2019 at 16:05
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    "In this case, the author who put significant effort to answer the question (they actually opened an SO account just for that!)" Except that the answerer registered in October, that's more than two months of foresight in order to answer a question in January! More importantly, I don't see "significant effort" with a single sentence and a link. I guess we use very different p-values. Mar 27, 2019 at 19:14
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    why did this OP not edit it and flag for undeletion..., why did OP who posted it not edit, why is my wife calling me to clean up the dishes.. Mar 27, 2019 at 20:35
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    OP of the question here. The question answered my exact problem. I don't know why so much hate for that answer. Thanks @max for flagging this.
    – Pekka
    Mar 28, 2019 at 6:00

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The answer is nothing more but a mere link to the official manual for this library. Essentially it says: documentation about TensorFlow can be found in the TensorFlow manual, aka "RTFM".

There is just no way that such an answer can be valuable or that we need to preserve it. The mod who deleted it originally did so correctly.

That it has now not only been undeleted but also gotten 7 up-votes(!) is pathetic. It makes it blatantly clear that way too many "meta people" have completely lost touch with what Stack Overflow is about.

  • Stack Overflow is about quality programming Q&A.
  • Stack Overflow is not about lawyering: "NAA VLQ policy Shog said blabla meta meta meta"

I prompted the OP to flesh out an answer themselves and accept it, since they had already done this with an edit to the question. They have now done so: the question is fixed, it is a good answer, it is accepted and it answers the question.

Thus we can now safely delete this as it now doubtlessly has zero value to the programming Q&A site.

Voting to delete.

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    I was very close to answering this question myself, but this seems to cover my major point: "Stack Overflow is not about lawyering". I'll just emphasize that we have wasted too much time and pacience over this petty matter, and this makes a fine example in which Meta has functioned more to our detriment than in our favour.
    – E_net4
    Mar 29, 2019 at 10:12
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    It takes some serious mental gymnastics to go from "The tf.contrib.stateless module exists for exactly this purpose: <link to docs for module>" to "documentation about TensorFlow can be found in the TensorFlow manual". The former contains information about what you need, the latter does not. Remove the link from the answer and it still contains useful information. Could it be made more useful? Of course! But it's not completely useless.
    – user247702
    Mar 29, 2019 at 10:30
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    @Stijn "But it's not completely useless." That's good news for a site which pretends to be about quality Q&A, isn't it?
    – Tom
    Mar 29, 2019 at 10:32
  • @Tom please, let's not pretend this site is still about quality Q&A.
    – user247702
    Mar 29, 2019 at 10:33
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    @Stijn We don't need to, I know times have changed. But regarding this topic: I agree with Lundin that 7 upvotes is very bad for such an answer, especially since several (or most) votes aren't due to the quality of the post, but due to "political" reasons because of this meta question. This tactical voting is pathetic (on both sites).
    – Tom
    Mar 29, 2019 at 10:37
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    "Essentially it says: documentation about TensorFlow can be found in the TensorFlow manual, aka "RTFM": this is incorrect. Neither me nor the OP (who both had the same question) knew if an API existed do what we wanted, and if so, where it was. That's why all we needed is an answer that showed a link to that API (=class/package).
    – max
    Mar 29, 2019 at 17:50
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    Meta can get so caught up in the "rights and wrongs" of actions, they forget the site is to provide quality content. A link to a place in the docs is not quality content. Otherwise most of the answers would be "hey go read this."
    – user3956566
    Mar 30, 2019 at 3:27
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First, let's start by saying that the answer was flagged as "very low quality" by a non-moderator user first, and also downvoted.

The moderator who handled the flag deleted it probably because he just saw a line of text and a link.

Without being a tensorflow expert, it's very difficult to figure out that this answer has value. We handle a lot of flags and this kind of answer is seen as link-only / software recommendation (and most of the time it is exactly that). Such answers are deleted all the time in the VLQ/NAA queue by non-moderators.

The answerer should have used OP input data (present in the question) to show an example of the module in OP context, adding "flesh" to the answer. A comment came in a few minutes after the answer to remind that.

What we saw is lack of experience of the person who answered, who didn't check the messages a few hours after posting, which would have given them the chance to improve the post before the deletion. It happens. But we cannot "spare" a bad answer just because it's the answerer first post.

Now, it's perfectly fine if someone (including original answerer, who could also edit & flag for undeletion) posts another answer with the same link and some code matching OP needs. That would be closer to "the perfect answer". In the meanwhile, I have created a comment with the deleted answer contents & the link as someone suggested in comments.

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    Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat. Mar 29, 2019 at 14:15
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    Someone posting an answer that you think is better than another answer is, again, not a valid reason to delete an answer, so no, it can't be deleted just because someone posted another answer.
    – Servy
    Mar 29, 2019 at 14:27
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    I didn't delete the comments, I moved them to chat because it was becoming ludicrious & unreadable. Mar 29, 2019 at 14:30
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    @Servy: Look here: chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/190917/… Mar 29, 2019 at 14:42
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    @RobertHarvey Yes, I know they're in a chatroom. That's why I said they were being hidden. The comments were deleted, and a chatroom was created with the content. It was done precisely to make it harder to find that content and so that people wouldn't read it. That the content still exists in a chatroom that people won't read is just a cop out to the attempt to avoid actually addressing the valid criticism of this answer.
    – Servy
    Mar 29, 2019 at 15:33
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    @Servy You know how this works. If you want to express your views, then post an answer. Your arguments were already hidden in a sea of nearly 100 comments. Mar 29, 2019 at 21:27
  • @CodyGray Posting an answer isn't the place to comment on the correctness of another answer. Comments are the place to comment on another answer. Posting an answer just to respond to another answer is grounds for deleting that answer as Not An Answer (unlike a moderating thinking it's not a useful answer, as this post claims).
    – Servy
    Mar 29, 2019 at 21:31
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    @Servy It is when you're on opposite sides of the question being asked. If your position is that the answer should not have been deleted by a moderator, then that would be a valid answer to this question. Mar 29, 2019 at 21:42
  • @CodyGray Me saying that moderators are not permitted to delete answers just because they're not useful doesn't answer the question asked. I was responding to the direct statements in this answer, and the comments posted on it. That's what comments are for. Trying to obscure that criticism, rather than addressing it in any way, or making unresonable demands by claiming responses to another answer that don't answer the question be posted as an answer (that would actually merit deletion) on the grounds that people wouldn't see it (despite dozens of people upvoting them)...
    – Servy
    Mar 29, 2019 at 21:52

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