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Refering to the question here : using purrr::walk to instate multiple event observers

The original answer was explicit in its use of language and in condemning a high profile developer of the tidyverse suite in R (Hadley Wickham). Understandibly some people of his development team took offense and flagged it. They also started a discussion under the post (again understandibly) which was clearly a culture clash.

I took the liberty to edit out all the (strong worded) opinion about the frameworks used and left the -helpful- answer. Yet, the post is now locked and in moderation to resolve the dispute. I was directed to meta by the only comment left visible.

Hence my question: How to deal with this best? Is it a good thing as an expert and long time user to intervene by editing the post, or is this unhelpful?

I would argue that preventing the drama while leaving the info would be the way to go.

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    It looks like the issue is currently being dealt with. Your job at this time is to sit back and await resolution. May 28, 2018 at 14:43
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    I really do like this edit explenation: " replaced offensive language with teddy bears and cuddles" May 28, 2018 at 14:47
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    Quote: "Sorry for the snark. It's not aimed at you". That was his get-out-of-jail card, he already edited out the f-words and did not engage in a rollback war. No big deal. Please unlock. May 28, 2018 at 14:52
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    @HansPassant on the other hand, stackoverflow is rather clear in its intent. And that intent is not to share opinions on frameworks. That's why I edited it out. Not because I disagree with it, simple because it obscures the relevant information by angering a whole bunch of likewise opinionated people from the other side.
    – Joris Meys
    May 28, 2018 at 14:55
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    The post being locked doesn't mean you did something wrong. In fact, the moderator may very well have locked the post to pre-empt the possibility of the author rolling back your edit. The lock will expire after some time - for now, it's there to get everyone involved to take a step back and think of something else for a moment. Maybe teddy bears and cuddles. Maybe something else entirely.
    – BoltClock
    May 28, 2018 at 15:04
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    There is an interesting underlying question here about when strongly opinionated becomes too strongly opinionated. FWIW, I think opinionated answers are fine as long as the opinions aren't arbitrary and serve an useful purpose in setting up a factual answer. To mention a specific passage of the post we are discussing, I feel it is appropriate, in a context like this one, to say things like "For what it's worth, I think the tidyverse is an absolutely key part of modern R. But NSE is advanced, and people are delving into it before they are remotely ready".
    – duplode
    May 28, 2018 at 15:44
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    @duplode There's a difference between being opinionated and being offensive. In fact it's not the same thing at all. May 28, 2018 at 17:04
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    @lionel That is why I quoted a specific passage, rather than saying the whole post was fine in its original form. I thought that would have been enough to make a disclaimer unnecessary.
    – duplode
    May 28, 2018 at 17:08
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    Offensive != opinionated. Please fix the title.
    – jpmc26
    May 29, 2018 at 10:07
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    I see three reasons one might take issue with the original revision: Firstly, that it uses the word "f***" (asterisks in the original); secondly, that it expresses strong opinions about programming style; and thirdly, that it specifically criticises Hadley Wickam. Maybe those three points interact with each other (for instance, I'd be sympathetic to the view that swearing in answers is usually not a big deal, but that it should be curtailed in posts critical of specific individuals to make them less incendiary), but they're not the same; I'm concerned that they're being conflated, here.
    – Mark Amery
    May 29, 2018 at 10:31
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    @jpmc26. Merely stating "tidyeval is too complex for beginners" is enough to offend some people. Saying "tidyeval is solving a problem that shouldn't have been created in the first place" definitely does it. The only offensive part really was calling names at Hadley. All the rest was very strong worded opinion. So I focused on the main issue. The discussion in the comments should make that clear btw.
    – Joris Meys
    May 29, 2018 at 11:23
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    @JorisMeys FWIW, I'm not sure I agree that editing out the references to Hadley was the right thing to do. Sometimes an idea's dominance comes purely from it being pushed by a single advocate who is highly persuasive or wields some kind of formal power. In that case, directly criticising them or their individual thought process in the course of criticising the idea seems defensible to me. Heck, I have a highly-upvoted PHP answer whose entire thesis is essentially "This misfeature only exists because Rasmus Lerdorf made a mistake of reasoning".
    – Mark Amery
    May 29, 2018 at 11:30
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    @JorisMeys I guess that raises another point: should it be permissible for an answerer to use a narrow, practical question as an excuse to get on their soapbox and expound about a broader issue that the narrow question is exemplary of? I think the answer is "Yes - and let the voters judge whether the resulting commentary is relevant and useful, and downvote if they think it is not"... but you may disagree with that, too.
    – Mark Amery
    May 29, 2018 at 11:34
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    (@JorisMeys It sadly underlines your point that this ordeal has apparently resulted in the answer author deleting their account. What a waste...)
    – duplode
    May 30, 2018 at 6:47
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    @MarkAmery it seems mods cannot undelete comments that are deleted by the community as R/A. I just learned something
    – user3956566
    May 30, 2018 at 9:43

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You did the right thing.

Answers that are flagged as offensive often have their flags declined if the offensive content can be edited out by the community (AKA users like you) while leaving the meat of the answer intact, so good job on avoiding that common pitfall.

If you see a post get locked by moderators, especially in a circumstance like this, it's likely that the moderator is just ending (or preventing) a rollback war and freezing content in place while they mete out any appropriate punishments or perform necessary comment cleanups.

Speaking of comment cleanups, if you see a situation like this where people are fighting or flaming each other in the comments, definitely do flag them for moderator attention so that they can come in and defuse the situation.

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