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See my answer to the following question: Arrow functions vs Fat arrow functions

When quoting the tag wiki to point out that they were the same thing as far as JS goes, I got a bit of grief over the fact that the term "fat arrows" 'is obsolete' and so it is incorrect to state that arrow functions are "also known as fat arrow functions" .

My opinion is that the very existence of the question shows that they are also know as 'fat arrow functions', and that 'known as' does not imply any official sanction, just fact. What is the consensus of the community?

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  • You learned something new. Q+A is a two-way street. If you equate that to "grief" then you are probably not going to enjoy contributing to SO much. Apr 24, 2017 at 13:39
  • @HansPassant did you see the comments aimed at me before they were deleted?
    – user5940189
    Apr 24, 2017 at 13:40
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    I didn't - what did they say? Also reaching a consensus on something like this might be difficult. Some will be staunchly on your side, some staunchly against - and I suspect the majority won't care enough to make a choice
    – Clive
    Apr 24, 2017 at 13:43
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    @Clive Here are the comments. Apr 24, 2017 at 13:47
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    If you feel that the term "known as" is being interpreted differently from your intentions, then consider using different terminology so that your meaning isn't ambiguous and open to misinterpretation.
    – Servy
    Apr 24, 2017 at 13:47
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    Yes, I saw them. They were, erm, passionate. That's pretty normal as well, SO users don't like bad or incorrect answers all that much. Who does. Apr 24, 2017 at 13:48
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    Eh? That's not "grief", that's a conversation. One that you clearly didn't like the content of, but a conversation sans grief, nonetheless. The argument is also quite compelling: you're using an obsolete term from an obsolete source, which refers mainly to a technology that the question wasn't even asking about...
    – Clive
    Apr 24, 2017 at 13:49
  • @Clive if no consensus is reached, so be it. If the consensus goes against me, I can always add that as a note to my answer. If people agree with mean I can leave as is.
    – user5940189
    Apr 24, 2017 at 13:50
  • Oh ok, that last comment was unnecessary, will definitely give you that :) But the sentiment seems sound to me
    – Clive
    Apr 24, 2017 at 13:50
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    @clive "My goodness, what a hard head we have. It's quite amazing that you would continue to push ideas you obviously have no knowledge about, and quote sources you have no ability to judge the accuracy of based on your own expertise." is not grief? Looks quite personal to me...
    – user5940189
    Apr 24, 2017 at 13:50
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    Yeah missed that last comment, that's a lot nearer "grief", sure. You don't have to put up with insults, flag it and forget it. But the rest of the comments seem spot on to me, and haven't really been addressed
    – Clive
    Apr 24, 2017 at 13:54
  • @Clive if you agree with his position, put an answer here agreeing with his position. As I said, if that gets support I'll amend my answer to something along the lines of 'incorrectly known as'
    – user5940189
    Apr 24, 2017 at 13:56
  • I'm happy just commenting to get clarification on your position. You don't think your answer was obsolete and mainly related to a technology that the question wasn't about? (Question was about JavaScript, specifically es2016, your answer referred mainly to coffee script)
    – Clive
    Apr 24, 2017 at 13:58
  • @clive The question was about JS arrow functions (no coffeescript tag), and fat arrow functions, noted they were the same, and asked if there was a difference. I answered by quoting the tag wiki and bolding that arrow functions in JS are also known as fat arrow functions, thus trying to both answer the question (there is no difference) and give a pointer to how the questioner could have checked the tag wiki. The only possible thing that could be wrong with my answer is if the 'known as' means in the spec, as opposed to more generally 'known as'
    – user5940189
    Apr 24, 2017 at 14:05
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    @clive I'm actually happy to clear that bit up (that isn't the 'known as' problem though). Regarding "If there's nothing official, in what way is it a "fact"?", I can only say that usage is fact as opposed to spec. And thanks for taking the time to discuss.
    – user5940189
    Apr 24, 2017 at 14:41

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I'm not interested in the coffeescript issue, but I think "known as" is stating a fact about the English language, which has no formal process for deprecation or obsolescence. Corpus-based linguistics is the tool for deciding whether a statement is correct, and it doesn't always yield a definitive answer.

I think all of these are true statements, in spite the tendency of certain people to get riled up upon reading them:

  1. In RS-232 serial communications, the common 9-pin connector is/was known as a "DB-9".
  2. In C, the cast operator is also known as a "typecast".
  3. In almost any context, a collection of 1,048,576 bytes is known as a "megabyte".

People wanting to avoid the use of a word or phrase they don't like should offer a better argument than "it's not in the holy text". Especially when they're arguing against explicitly telling people the truth about the relationship between the formal terminology they'll read here and some informal terms they'll find elsewhere.

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