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Here is a suggested edit I made which was rejected: https://stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/10779276

I'm asking because I find a high rejection rate for suggested edits (why do these not go to the author as well to override if they agree? They have more specific knowledge and context than random reviewers)

Here is more background on the edit:

In the answer the author references an external bug tracking system issue which original had a state of "Open" for the issue KT-7033. Issue KT-7033 is now "Fixed". This is VERY important information, and in the answer the author states basically that "X is true, until Y is fixed". He says this because people will not use the correct, best, accurate answer (in cases such as Android) while X is true. Therefore the current status should be updated.

So I did suggested edit using strikethrough for the phrase that is no longer true, small grammar change, and added "(fixed") text after the issue.

That keeps the original intent of the post, no content is lost, no extra noise and brings outside linked information inside the post.

How is that not a good edit?!?

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  • This did not "This edit deviates from the original intent of the post" ... he obviously intended the status of this to be known. "This edit does not make the post ..., more accurate" but it does make it accurate for the current state of the world. Jan 5, 2016 at 10:15
  • Well, however, I'd suggest post a comment instead of just edit the post when you want change something which is big, like your edit.
    – Remi Guan
    Jan 5, 2016 at 10:22
  • Why do you consider this "big" @KevinGuan? It brings in the linked status, with minimal edits. Someone reading the first line of the answer likely would reject it and not read the comments. Just as the author of the Question says in his comment "I want to avoid the jar" because he is on Android -- which is exactly the wrong message to send. The best answer rejects itself. In fact his comment further influences other readers to do the wrong thing. Jan 5, 2016 at 10:25
  • "why do these not go to the author as well to override if they agree?" - that is what happens, if the author returns during the review period they can cast a binding vote. However, we don't wait around hoping that they'll show up...
    – jonrsharpe
    Jan 5, 2016 at 10:26
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    Therefore I am confused why we have suggested edits if everything should only be in comments. Jan 5, 2016 at 10:26
  • @jonrsharpe this was reviewed within a 30 minute window, the author wouldn't have time to show up especially considering time zones. They should still have a chance to see the edit and override any time later. Jan 5, 2016 at 10:27
  • @JaysonMinard insofar as they can see the review history and edit their own answer at any time to include rejected edits they don't think should have been, they already do!
    – jonrsharpe
    Jan 5, 2016 at 10:28
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    @jonrsharpe ok, I don't think the average author is aware of that. Talking to a few people in the community with around 1000 reputation, none knew I had made suggested edits on their posts. Usability issue, or people don't take time to learn the details of the system. But about this type of edit, is it really the wrong type? What is the best source of "here are good suggested edits that won't get you rejected, and in trouble / banned from editing" Jan 5, 2016 at 10:31
  • The guidance is here: stackoverflow.com/help/privileges/edit. You're right that it's not easy for an author to see the rejected suggested edits on their question, but I think that's partly by design.
    – jonrsharpe
    Jan 5, 2016 at 10:32
  • @JaysonMinard: big here means You didn't just want change some simple things such as fixed format, grammar, spelling, etc. But added or removed something which possible isn't what OP wants to do.
    – Remi Guan
    Jan 5, 2016 at 10:33
  • The guidance linked above says I can also clarify the meaning of a post ("without changing it" -- how do you do that?), or clarify mistakes, add addendums / updates as the post ages. So I did an update as the post aged of the state of the referenced issue. All of that seems within the realms of guidance. I've done much bigger changes that are accepted. It is radically not consistent. Jan 5, 2016 at 10:35
  • Guidance should therefore be changed @KevinGuan to remove "add addendums / updates as the post ages" because you are saying additions are not welcome. Nor are "clarify the meaning of a post" if you make any changes to do so. I'm obviously confused. Jan 5, 2016 at 10:36
  • I would suggest leaving a comment in situations like that.
    – user4639281
    Jan 6, 2016 at 16:50
  • @TinyGiant comments are good in some cases, depending on the wording of the answer. If the first line is "iPhones cause your house to burn down" but now after 2 years it is found they do not. A comment is not sufficient to remove the fear caused by such as strong first statement in the answer. Everything is context, and I do use comments in some cases, edits in others. It is lame when answers are abandoned and authors do not consider comments for incorporation. Jan 6, 2016 at 16:57
  • I would still have left a comment. You're actually changing the meaning of the post, and it is highly unlikely that your suggested edit will be approved. So sure you can suggest an edit, but you must realize that it is most likely going to be rejected.
    – user4639281
    Jan 6, 2016 at 17:01

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As I see it problem with your edit is that it is significant from one side, but from other not significant enough - basically you just added word fixed in a rather confusing way - and as such it does interfere with authors intent.

My first option would be, like others have commented, to leave comment to the author (since he is active member) and let him edit the answer.

If you do want to make edit yourself, or the author does not improve the answer in some reasonable time, IMO preferred way would be to add Update addition at the end of the answer explaining that issue is fixed with other relevant information (version...)

In general, you should approach editing answers with more caution, especially with edits like yours where timing is not crucial. You have to be more careful than when you are editing bad question that will get down voted if you don't improve it quickly.

Also people reading answers usually also read comments, so they will get information that issue is fixed from your comment, too.

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  • Thanks. So a rule is, let the author make a change via a comment, before suggested edits. There are other places on the SO site that tell you to make suggested edits (when in review queue for example). I think I understand this as "don't edit, make comments, wait a long time, remember to come back, make an edit, it will be rejected, stick with the comments" ... I'm not being sarcastic, but realistic. Because that is the exact current experience. Jan 5, 2016 at 10:38
  • Note: I added "(fixed)" and strike-through the comment about waiting for the bug to be fixed. What is a less confusing way that you would recommend? an update at the end maybe too late in the answer to be read (the first sentence rejects many users). An update at the top is better, but not sure if would be rejected for being at the top. Looking for advice. Jan 5, 2016 at 10:39
  • I think answer is short enough and people would note update at the end, but you can add it at the top too. At least I would not mind that. Just separate it with line to stick out as addition to original.
    – Dalija Prasnikar Mod
    Jan 5, 2016 at 10:42
  • "Also people reading answers usually also read comments too" yes I agree unless there is a short-circuit that sends them away in the first sentence of the answer. Also, we shouldn't make everyone do archaeology to find all related content when authors fail to own their Question or Answer and update it for clarity and correctness. This is like asking users to read source code via only a stream of "git commits" instead of reading the final source code. We would never accept that, yet it is how SO becomes. Many abandoned Q or A that have a messy comment trail. Jan 5, 2016 at 10:50
  • One note on "timing is not crucial" ... it is in another way. Kotlin 1.0 is approaching and we are fighting the "alpha" and "beta" period questions in SO that have invalid, outdated and sometimes completely misleading information, to make sure as people Google or SO Search their way into Kotlin they don't find answers that send them off the deep end. It is VERY HARD to improve this type of aged/bad content on SO, to modernize it for a rather different current state of Kotlin. So timing is important before a release that floods in new users. :-) Jan 5, 2016 at 10:55
  • Balance is hard to find. Maybe with some other reviewers your edit would pass. That is risk you are taking while editing. Point is that you should not get discouraged by this rejection, and maybe be more careful next time, knowing that people might see things differently.
    – Dalija Prasnikar Mod
    Jan 5, 2016 at 10:55
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    jaja, I was being cautious this time (my previous edits were bigger, and some might say "Crazy!") ... one more step towards MORE cautious Jan 5, 2016 at 10:56
  • If you think timing is important, then you might add answer of your own. Of course, that is not perfect solution and you might get down voted. But I honestly think that main issue with your edit was in "where and how" not in information itself. Update on the top or the bottom would most likely pass.
    – Dalija Prasnikar Mod
    Jan 5, 2016 at 10:59
  • I did, submitted a new edit, on top. Jan 5, 2016 at 11:00
  • But it is on the way towards rejection as well: stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/10780341 Jan 5, 2016 at 11:01
  • And it is approved now :)
    – Dalija Prasnikar Mod
    Jan 5, 2016 at 11:39
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    thanks again, moral support from a Delphi addict is always good. Jan 5, 2016 at 12:00
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    "Update" is noise that should be removed from posts, not added to it.
    – user4639281
    Jan 5, 2016 at 18:52
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    @Dalija Please see: Should “Edit:” in edits be discouraged? It is noise and should not be added. If a user wants to see the revision history, they can look at the revision history.
    – user4639281
    Jan 5, 2016 at 20:41
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    You can say something along the lines of "This issue was fixed in version X, if you're using an older version then it will require the following workaround", which is perfectly acceptable.
    – user4639281
    Jan 6, 2016 at 16:41

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