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I'm going through the edit queue and I have encountered the same situation 3 times already, out of 4 reviewed edits.

User brainy is adding a single tag to the question with the exact same comment: Added (tag) because it related to the question, where (tag) is the tag he added.

Each time the tag he chooses appears literally as word in the question but has little to do with it otherwise (definitely not enough to add the tag). It almost seems like bot behaviour, and that is backed up by the high frequency and long-time period (8 hours today already) of his suggesting edits, as proved by his reputation history.

Even if he does this manually, I think he needs to realise that adding a single tag is usually not a substantial enough edit and that he needs to learn what tags are for exactly.

What shall we do?

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  • If his reputation is low enough that his edits still need to be approved by the review queue, just reject the edits as invalid. There are, as far as I'm aware, automatic processes in place that will result in his ability to suggest edits being removed temporarily if it happens enough times. Jun 10, 2014 at 12:40
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    198 rep from edits yesterday and 200 rep today... But the problem are the reviewers, not the user. Jun 10, 2014 at 12:40
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    Not necessarily a bot. Just a rep-farmer who knows there are review-farmers out there willing to let him abuse the system. Although, 20 seconds between suggestions does suggest some sort of automated behaviour, true.
    – J. Steen
    Jun 10, 2014 at 12:44
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    @Matt that's strange, wouldn't removing that rep be similar to rolling back the effects of serial upvoting? Anyway I think the benefits one gets from reviewers doing a plain bad job shouldn't be kept.
    – MarioDS
    Jun 10, 2014 at 13:35
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    @MDeSchaepmeester: I still stand by what I said in my answer to the question I linked to. The problem is that it takes 3 reviewers to accept an edit, yet only one person to roll back. The system has to assume that 3 people know better than one person. The problem here is the reviewers accepting the edit in the first place, not the person for making the poor edit.
    – Matt
    Jun 10, 2014 at 14:05
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    @Matt They are all problematic, the person doing the numerous, often invalid, edits and the reviewers. Abusing robo-reviewers isn't better than said reviewers. Jun 10, 2014 at 14:23
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    If we trusted low rep users to make valid edits, we wouldn't need reviewers. The problem is a new user learns that these types of edits are acceptable because he has submitted them in the past and they get approved. Not everyone frequents Meta so they don't understand what actually constitutes a good edit. If the user gets told what they are doing is wrong and they don't stop, then they need to be held accountable. Before that happens though, the reviewers need to be held accountable. Jun 10, 2014 at 14:34
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    Is this a case for the audit system? It seems it would be fairly easy to create some useless add-a-tag edits and feed them to reviewers. Jun 10, 2014 at 14:45
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    @PatriciaShanahan Good idea, maybe we could ask Brainy for the script he is using, at least that way some good would have come out of it.
    – MarioDS
    Jun 10, 2014 at 14:46
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    @Matt and psubsee2003, the fact that only the robo-reviewers are guilty for the negative effects only holds true if the invalid edits are a genuine mistake in the first place. The user making these edits is effectively spamming, he knows the edits are wrong and he's doing it to farm rep. He is deliberately abusing the system. In fairness, no one would attempt to farm rep this way if no robo-reviewers existed, but the way this user is cashing in on this flaw should be recognized as a problem in its own respect, IMHO.
    – MarioDS
    Jun 10, 2014 at 14:52
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    Has anyone noticed his profile text says "please delete me"
    – TecBrat
    Jun 10, 2014 at 18:12
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    There are other users doing the same thing. stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/5028309 Looks like someone has created a bot and is sharing it. Jun 10, 2014 at 18:20
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    Some dude (stackoverflow.com/users/1628280/zefnus?tab=reputation) figured out he can suggest two consecutive edits to get +4 instead of +2: one to remove a burninated tag, another to add an almost synonymous one. Jun 11, 2014 at 17:24
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    He is doing the same thing you described but has improved the algorithm basically doubling his gained rep. He's also been penalized for serial upvoting (-1500 rep) a while ago, so he might be the brains behind the automation. Jun 11, 2014 at 17:47
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    Rate limit suggested edits Jun 11, 2014 at 19:59

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As noted in comments/linked posts, one thing you can do is to flag one of their posts or a post they edited, and use "Other" and let us mods know. Sometimes there are other things going on with this type of thing, too; we'll look into it. As otherwise noted, a large part of the problem here is the Robo-Reviewers. Ugh, is all I can say about that.

But also don't forget that you can notify any editor active on a given post via comments - just use @<username> and they'll be notified - for bad edits made in good faith, simply communicating is often enough. All too often, folks let this go on too long for fear of speaking up. Just be polite and have a spirit of helpfulness.

But, I think Patricia Shanahan came up with an interesting idea: to have review audits include this type of edit; where a word in the question matches an existing tag that's not already in the question, but no other edit is done.

But, I think there would also be a lot of potential for this to cause audit edits which would actually be quite valid, though minor. Perhaps there are some algos which could rip that chance down to near zero, but also, I'd wonder how common this type of edit is, to know if it'd be worth trying that.

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    These types of edits are very common, and when people spam serial bad edits, this is one of the more common types of edits to spam.
    – Servy
    Jun 10, 2014 at 15:25
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    Oh, and there's not really a compelling reason to remove the generated audits that would be too minor, because people also shouldn't be approving edits that are too minor, so it's just not a problem either way.
    – Servy
    Jun 10, 2014 at 15:26
  • @Servy Good to hear, from someone who reviews edits much more than I do! I can imaging these would be somewhat frequent, since it seems like they would be easy. Jun 10, 2014 at 15:26
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    The main point is coming up with some sort of search criteria to find posts to edit, which is why the two most common are generally posts in a tag that should be removed, or particularly keywords (in which the keywords are words to be removed, like "thanks", or common misspellings to be corrected). Almost anytime you see any other type of serial edit its still something to which some criteria is selecting them all.
    – Servy
    Jun 10, 2014 at 15:30
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    Unfortunately, in this case, communicating wasn't enough. He ignored me yesterday.
    – Andy Mod
    Jun 10, 2014 at 18:37
  • @Andy Unfortunately, some users do not take polite advice. There are numerous reasons why, of course, and I can't go any further here due to specifics in this case. Suffice to say, attention has been brought ;) Jun 10, 2014 at 18:44
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    @AndrewBarber Fair enough. I just wanted to let you know that I'd attempted the polite route.
    – Andy Mod
    Jun 10, 2014 at 18:45
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    And it's very much appreciated, @Andy :) Jun 10, 2014 at 18:46
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    We could make review audits where the added tag is an obvious meta-tag or has the "DO NOT USE" in it's tag wiki excerpt. Jun 11, 2014 at 12:06
  • @S.L.Barth Oh, now that is a fantastic idea, I think! Jun 11, 2014 at 12:54
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    @AndrewBarber Wow, thanks! I've now posted it as a feature request. Jun 11, 2014 at 13:17
  • I already did that yesterday or so, flag is still "active"
    – PlasmaHH
    Jun 11, 2014 at 19:03
  • @PlasmaHH Don't worry about that; we have a lot of flags. Action has actually already been taken on that user. And FYI; you didn't need to flag after posting this, as we're already aware of it. But I'll go find and clear your flag as helpful now. Jun 11, 2014 at 19:06
  • @AndrewBarber: I don't know if I flagged before or after this post, but it wasn't as a reaction to it. I stumbled over this user after about a dozen "this edit has already been approved" messages when trying to reject it in the review queue. I just saw this on the community bulletin
    – PlasmaHH
    Jun 11, 2014 at 19:07
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    Flag? Great idea! "declined - We can't edit ban people: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/221832/…"
    – bjb568
    Jun 11, 2014 at 19:32
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I have seen many users abusing this with manual edits, adding some insignificant tag to a question just to farm rep.

The solution to this problem seems obvious: make it so that edits that do nothing but changing some tags don't get rewarded with reputation points.

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    Wasn't it so that at a certain reputation you get the retag option under a question and you can do that without reputation gain? Anyway I like what you suggest, adding tags is scriptable and it's not always obviously invalid.
    – MarioDS
    Jun 11, 2014 at 11:38
  • @MDeSchaepmeester: yes, but at that level of rep, you already look like someone who knows something instead of someone who added random words out of the question body as a tag
    – PlasmaHH
    Jun 11, 2014 at 19:04
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Suggested edit that only change a tag is invalid for users with low rep. Because the edit should be substantial to OP. I thought reviewers handled those invalid edits and rejected them. If you are not on the reviewer chain and you see that someone made an invalid edit you can fix it by opening edits of the post and rollback to the previous state. If the user continues to make edits on it or rollback an invalid edit you can flag on the post and as already said here use "Others" and add your comment. Mods are in care of such things, but unfortunately not all things handled by mods as you might see "declined" or "disputed" status of your flag. You might try to resubmit a flag again, or forget it.

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