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I've posted a question about 5-digit plus years, specifically whether any variant/version of SQL supports years more than 4 digits

I think that the number of downvotes and close votes given for the question is a bit of an overreaction, given that I asked the question seriously and have given supporting evidence to why it matters, even today. But I digress.

My main issue is this: 3 of the close votes are for "primarily opinion based", but I don't see how it's primarily opinion based at all. I get that many viewers though it was a dumb question, but that doesn't make it opinion based. I asked if there were any variants of SQL that support future years and if not, why not (i.e. if there was an implementation reason). That does not seem opinion-based to me.

Update: I deleted the original question, both because of the level of downvotes and because it no longer reflected my actual use case. I appreciate the discussion and the effort went through by those who tried to improve it.

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    Given the current state of world politics, I think it's primarily opinion based whether anyone will even be alive in the year 10000. :D
    – Mysticial
    Jan 7, 2015 at 19:58
  • That seems more like an indication that the comments are opinion-based. But even given that, I've already shown in the question an example (two actually) of how it matters even now - games about fictional worlds and applications like nuclear waste disposal planning. Jan 7, 2015 at 19:59
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    It looks like a joke question. Jan 7, 2015 at 20:02
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    You end the post with: "Whether any software people write today will make it that far is probably unlikely, but when it's easy to plan for, why not?" This is asking for peoples' opinions outright.
    – user559633
    Jan 7, 2015 at 20:03
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    "If not, why not?" That's probably what got you "opinion-based" as you can be given any number of opinions on why the creators didn't plan for 8,000 years in the future. I would've called it "recommendation" myself, after serious consideration, as you are asking for any SQL variations that have this feature. That said, I could very well be incorrect on the "recommendation" call there, but I'm still figuring out the close reasons myself. (Don't have that privilege, just the flags.)
    – Kendra
    Jan 7, 2015 at 20:05
  • The better-fit close reason for what's probably your real question -- "Does any version support this?" -- would have been "questions asking for resources", but the rest of your post definitely lends itself to opinion-mongering discussion answers.
    – jscs
    Jan 7, 2015 at 20:05
  • Regarding the "Whether any..." comment at the end, I agree that that is more of a comment. I only added it after the comments popped up to try and give some perspective to the question to anyone who came upon it afterward. I agree that a "resources" reason could be an appropriate close, but I still don't see how "why not" is by its very nature opinion-based. When someone says "Is 21 a prime number? Why or why not?" it doesn't make the question opinion-based. Jan 7, 2015 at 20:07
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    The close dialog is limited, there is no "We don't want this programmer to be involved with our nuclear waste disposal problem" selection. So SO users just pick something else. I suspect you'll discover what the "meta effect" looks like. Jan 7, 2015 at 20:07
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    I think your question, with some rewording, could be on-topic. The game example is valid (ie a game based on the far away future). If that is your intent, you should consider rewording it in a way that your end goal is obvious. Jan 7, 2015 at 20:12
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    @GeorgeStocker can you purge the comments? They are obsolete after the edit. I thought it might be better to ask here rather than throw another flag on the pile :) Jan 7, 2015 at 20:21
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    It's too bad the question was deleted; in it's edited form, I'm not sure that it was a bad question; it certainly felt answerable. Do you intend to repost a new version of it, similar to the latest edit? Jan 7, 2015 at 20:50
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    Ahh, so then you were concerned with maintainability in the future vs. needing to currently support data that falls within that time range? Jan 7, 2015 at 20:55
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    @CarrieKendall Yep, and you could easily make that argument that even if the OP's case doesn't make as much sense as the case that you presented (future game dates), the reality is that there are valid cases out there, and the question will be useful to future visitors (<- see what I did there?) Anyway, I digress.. Jan 7, 2015 at 20:57
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    You're planning already for 5-digit years? This is why you got downvoted. BRB, planning for 33bit integers caused by the universe's expansion over the next billion years.
    – user1228
    Jan 7, 2015 at 21:04

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Your question was:

Whether any software people write today will make it that far is probably unlikely, but when it's easy to plan for, why not?

"Why not?" is entirely opinion based. My reason for not implementing a 5 digit date piece of software is different from another person.

You also asked this:

Are there any SQL variants/versions that support dates with a year greater than 4 digits?

That seems to be off topic because it's looking for a recommendation.

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  • If I took that last line out of the question, would it be more acceptable? It wasn't meant as the main question. After all the main question is under a heading section called Question. Jan 7, 2015 at 20:09
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    Whatever you put in your post is going to be fair game for answerers, @AmadeusDrZaius, regardless of how you labelled it, and then the answers devolve into a forum thread. Closure nips that in the bud so that it can be averted entirely.
    – jscs
    Jan 7, 2015 at 20:11
  • @Josh Fair, but you should know that I added that last line after the majority of the comments (and close votes), precisely because people kept making what I see as a fallacy of the present. Jan 7, 2015 at 20:12
  • @AmadeusDrZaius: I've just made an edit to your question that I believe sidesteps both of the issues that Andy's pointed out. It's meant as a suggestion; please feel more than free to roll it back, but I hope you take a look at it and find it helpful. (It may also be too late for this particular instance of the question.)
    – jscs
    Jan 7, 2015 at 20:17
  • @Andy I find your answer a bit misleading. While Josh is right that I shouldn't have included that in the post, it is very clear (both from the question inside the Question section and the actual question text "Does any variant of SQL support dates in the future?") that "Whether..." is not the question. Saying "Your question was: insert here" with what you've written above is not very accurate. Jan 7, 2015 at 20:18
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    You have a "why not" under the Question section too. Your edits changed the question from a recommendation question to an recommendation/opinion question. A more appropriate question may be something like "how do I get $database to support years with 5 or more digits. I've tried... and the following errors occur."
    – Andy Mod
    Jan 7, 2015 at 20:18
  • @Andy OK, fair enough. Re: Josh Thanks for the title change - it's better. I actually am asking this question earnestly btw, despite the belief of some people that it was a joke. I agree that the topic is a bit humorous, but I specifically tried not to inject any humor into the question. Jan 7, 2015 at 20:19
  • @Josh I noticed that you also removed all of the background about the question. I don't know if that actually makes it better... including a little about why the question is relevant is important for it to be understood. The whole reason why the comments devolved like they did initially is because I didn't include any background. So I may want to revert part of your edit. It probably doesn't matter anyway though, since it's got 2 delete votes already. Harsh community, today. Jan 7, 2015 at 20:23
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    @JoshCaswell's edit is on point. Your background section was noise and detracts from the actual question, IMHO. I suggest leaving it this way and waiting for answers. Jan 7, 2015 at 20:29
  • @Carrie It's not quite right however, because I'm not trying to store 5-digit years. I'm trying to allow for searches for 5-digit years. I may just delete the question - I don't think it's going to get any useful answers now. Jan 7, 2015 at 20:41
  • That sound like an XY Problem. Furthermore, you contradict the first sentence in this question. Jan 7, 2015 at 20:42
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    Like I said, @AmadeusDrZaius, my edit was intended as a suggestion; please do as you see fit. The key points I hoped to make were: don't ask for "which version of X does Y", ask "how can I Y with X", and don't ask "why did D write X this way?" Good luck.
    – jscs
    Jan 7, 2015 at 20:55
  • @Josh Thanks for the help - sorry if I came off callous. Just trying to communicate my original intentions clearly. I'll ask the question again in 9900 if I'm still alive. Jan 7, 2015 at 21:03
  • Nope, no problem, @AmadeusDrZaius; I figured I might have missed something when I edited.
    – jscs
    Jan 7, 2015 at 21:04

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