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Two days ago I saw this question and was baffled that it was put on hold as "too broad": Unable to import .p12 keystore

In fact the question is rather specific and none of the criteria for "too broad" apply:

  • Because of the provided error message there is exactly one valid answer.
  • Two short sentences are enough to explain the cause of the error message and to provide a solution to the problem (see comments).

The question was never edited, so it is not possible that it is an improved version of the original "too broad" question.

Am I missing something or why were five users convinced that this question should be closed?

Update:

The question was put on hold again, this time for being off-topic:

Questions seeking debugging help ("why isn't this code working?") must include the desired behavior, a specific problem or error and the shortest code necessary to reproduce it in the question itself. Questions without a clear problem statement are not useful to other readers.

This is getting ridiculous. The question includes a specific error message "EC KeyFactory not available" and the command that produced it.

If someone else encounters the same error message, he will google for it and find this question on SO with a solution. That is how it should be, right?

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    Yes, that is how I understand "too broad" too, but in this case the question neither lacks a complete problem statement nor is it missing key details. Basically it is a simple "I tried to do that with this command and got this error". And the error message is so specific that it allows only one answer.
    – Omikron
    Dec 28, 2014 at 17:25
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    If I had to guess, I'd say it was "Any suggestions?" that got this one closed. "How do I resolve this error so I can import this key?" would have been much better. The general formatting, while not itself a close reason, might get readers in the mindset of a low-quality question. (I edited, but I can't vote to reopen.) Dec 28, 2014 at 23:45
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    Ask the reviewers: Triage: stackoverflow.com/review/triage/6577942 , Close: stackoverflow.com/review/close/6578187 , Reopen: stackoverflow.com/review/reopen/6597151 . Seems to be a consensus to close it among all of them.
    – Brad Larson Mod
    Dec 29, 2014 at 0:44
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    @Omikron: I was the one leaving it closed for reasons as, 1) I created a .p12 keystore using openssl from a pkcs8 keystore-> How exactly? 2) What versions have you used 3) What are those input files? 4) What have you read about the error output on Google? 5) What have you learnt? 6) What did you try to resolve it? 7) etc. There is too much information missing. While I would have opted for a different close reason, this is not a reason to reopen. Dec 29, 2014 at 6:30
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    I would add that none of the close voters have significant reputation in Java tag.
    – Salman A
    Dec 29, 2014 at 7:49
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    @lpapp and you left none of that as comment in the question in question. Just close it and move on, eh? No wonder SO lately isn't considered newbie friendly...
    – K.L.
    Dec 29, 2014 at 10:48
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    @K.L.: first of all, if you reread it, but carefully this time, you can notice that I did not close it. Secondly, why is it good to replicate the link content mentioned in the close reason for the OP? To generate unfruitful discussions like this here where I am honestly trying to speak up to give some feedback to be fair alone from the crowd? I feel unappreciated and you encourage me to skip it next time. Dec 29, 2014 at 10:51
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    @lpapp "Just close and move on" refered to the general attitude as perceived by me, not implying to you closing the question. But you will have to rephrase the latter bit, cause i cant understand what is it trying to say. And as far as I know, the question was just closed as "too broad" with no explanation why exactly is it too broad for the person who asked that question. If such explanation was there, Omikron would not have started this on meta. in my prev. comment I pointed out that you were willing to explain why you voted for leaving the question closed here but not at the q itself.
    – K.L.
    Dec 29, 2014 at 11:17
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    @lpapp the autogiven reason explains nothing. If Omikron had the impression that the question lacks no detail, then maybe a lot of people would get the same impression. I wasnt hostile towards you in my first comment, byt towards the no-commenting trend. I said you should leave those reasons in the question not here, and that no comments from reviewers/closers are bad. No need to be defensive or retaliate on me with ad hominem arguments - you should spend less time on making ad hominem arguments (see what I did there?).
    – K.L.
    Dec 29, 2014 at 11:30
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    @lpapp: Thank you very much for contributing to this discussion as one of the reviewers! However, I disagree with most of the arguments you have listed. 1) is not necessary because it was a previous step and has nothing to do with the problem 2) yes, that would have been nice 3) wrong question 4) there is only one relevant google result and it does not answer the question, btw. another reason to re-open the question 5) is this seriously necessary in every question? 6) there was not much he could have tried 7) obviously there was enough information to correctly answer the question
    – Omikron
    Dec 29, 2014 at 11:40
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    Why do you ask if you argue? This is my reasoning. My standards are high. Your standards may be much lower and I do not completely mind in this case since java is a looser language anyway... ;-) It does not matter to me whether you disagree; those are still my points to check to keep this site high-quality and perhaps other people's, too. If there is no effort put into the question, not even google readups what he actually read about the error message, let alone what he has tried. Such questions are not worth our time. Dec 29, 2014 at 11:41
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    As for the points: 1) How do you know for sure it has nothing to do with it? I do not, so I need it. I am not a clairvoyant with a crystall ball. I want to provide the best answer. 3) Wrong question to ask for the input, eh? 4) So where is the explanation about the google result then?? 5) Yes, it is very seriously necessary. 6) OK, so "gimme the solution without effort"... Downvote and close vote those. 7) Apparently, There was not for many people including me. -- You can argue this all, but people disagreed with you. Just accept that there are different people and move on. Dec 29, 2014 at 11:47
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    I won't say this is the case with lpapp but time and time again I see people closing question because they don't understand them. I don't know much about this topic but in other cases I which I do have a deep know of I've seem people close questions as "not clear" or "to broad" when in fact they just did not understand the question.
    – Hogan
    Dec 29, 2014 at 21:12
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    The speed of the close process worries me a lot. It's getting out of control.
    – tacone
    Dec 29, 2014 at 23:37
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    @lpapp You voted to close, and we can all see this.
    – AStopher
    Dec 30, 2014 at 10:00

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My 2 cents.

I've noticed how sometimes when closing questions an avalanche effect takes place starting with a tiny rock.

If you see the original unedited question in my opinion that tiny rock was the fact that the question was missing a This is what I tried. This is what any programmer regardless of technology can ascertain.

.....Furthermore the bad formatting (things as tiny as highlighting the error message, capitalizing i's etc fueled that avalanche, as you'll see how in the review triage, 1 of 4 thought it was Unsalvageable and the other 3 thought it Should be Improved)

It feels hard to make close/reopen/delete/undelete votes on questions, once you have the power to do so. There won't ever be complete consensus and we can't make everybody happy.

An example: In my opinion yet again, as opposed to @Ipapp, I feel the question may be reopened because you gave the OP an answer that may be useful to many out on the internet that might have come across this or a similar problem. Therefore I vote to reopen.

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    related: Bandwagon effect in close votes at MSE
    – gnat
    Dec 29, 2014 at 10:42
  • i'm with you gideon, also having, at this moment, +17 for the question and +22 for the answer might be because of this meta post or maybe not. But it seem weird to have it closed now.
    – Fredou
    Dec 31, 2014 at 14:47
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Because people abuse their power here on Stack Overflow. Simply put, the user was probably being shunned for being new to the site.

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    Because people abuse their power here on Stack Overflow; care to give an example? If you think you witness a moderator/any user abusing their privileges, simply flag with a custom flag with your suspicions. If that fails you can always come to Meta.
    – AStopher
    Dec 31, 2014 at 16:59
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    I think this too. It's not a case of individuals abusing power, but more a case of social mimicking. One person marks something in a negative way, and that encourages group-think. It's a very well known social phenomenon. Jan 4, 2017 at 9:10
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This question still lacks critical information to narrow it to the point of being answered: to start with, it nowhere states what version of Java you are using.

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    The OP isn't the author of the question, you should edit your answer. If you're nitpicking at small things such as the Java version, there wouldn't be many good questions left on SO.
    – AStopher
    Dec 30, 2014 at 10:02
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    Also, this would be a perfect comment on the question, but no one of the people who voted for closing the question left it there. When I read the question, I saw it as a reasonable one, even tho im no expert in that field. So If an expert wants/needs more details, it would be optimal to ask for them instead of just voting to close.
    – K.L.
    Dec 30, 2014 at 12:04
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    As a side note, if all questions would specify everything to the evry last bit, they would be all too localized, and SO would be a free tech support site, not a knowledge base.
    – K.L.
    Dec 30, 2014 at 12:05
  • Although stating the Java version in questions seems a good idea in general, it is certainly not "critical information" in this case: Only Java 6 could have produced that specific error message. And i doubt that someone who does not understand the error message, would have been able to answer the question anyway. In addition, the command that caused the error message contains a parameter that was not available before Java 6.
    – Omikron
    Dec 30, 2014 at 15:25
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    @K.L. again my 2c. Many times I've put up a comment asking more information when the question is within my tech area. However, the OP doesn't respond. Then what are we to do? .I always tell my colleagues and do this myself, when posting on SO you need to keep an eye on your question. People ask for clarifications etc and sometimes that itself answers your question. Given the fact that we get 5700 questions per day if the OP is uninterested in giving more info, voting to close and prevent garbage accumulating is what the community mods lean towards.
    – gideon
    Dec 31, 2014 at 7:59
  • @gideon If the OP does not respond, you are doing us all a favour closing the question, indeed! Thank you for your work! Sadly, many people dont leave the comment asking for additional details like you do, and that's what i had in mind with my comment :)
    – K.L.
    Dec 31, 2014 at 11:10
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    @K.L. True, but however if you attempt to flag your own question it'll tell you what other users have flagged the question for. Not as useful as a comment explaining specifically why it was flagged/closed, but is useful in determining the rough reason.
    – AStopher
    Dec 31, 2014 at 17:01

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