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I recently was on a highly downvoted question where the user posted a huge code dump and said something along the lines of:

This is for an assignment, and I really don't have time to do it right now, so if you'd help me out you'd be really amazing!

(I would find the question for you, but apparently it's been deleted; at least, I can't find anything from it in my "Activity" tab.)

Under this, I posted a comment that said "Everyone has time: " followed by a YouTube clip. I happened to check on this question the next day (before the question was deleted) and found that my comment was gone.

My guess is that it was flagged as either "rude or offensive". The clip had a swear word in it which I didn't think about since it was quite late at night, and that deletion reason would, I suppose, make sense. Or it could simply have been flagged as "not constructive".

In any case, the only reason I even knew that it had any action taken upon it is that I just so happened to check back on the question the next day. If I hadn't done that, I would have no clue. Given that, how would it be possible for me to correct any kind of negative, harmful, or unacceptable behavior on the site? I assume that there's some eventual limit where a user has had too many things flagged and then gets some warning, suspension or expulsion, but a user might be able to avoid that entirely if he simply knew that his content had been removed for whatever reason.

Hence the feature request: please notify users when their comments or posts are deleted, either through the Inbox or Achievements drop downs in the title bar, via e-mail, or both.

(Side note: I actually like the irony of delivering it through the Achievements drop down. Not the appropriate place for it, but it makes me smile.)


TL;DR: If a user isn't notified that their content was abusive or otherwise inappropriate, they can't correct the behavior. Notifying them thus helps them become more productive members of the site and reduces the generation of such content in the future.

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    The overly chatty people on the site will hate this with a passion.
    – Taryn Mod
    Commented May 16, 2014 at 13:51
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    @bluefeet I guess I was assuming that there was some limit on having comments deleted for "chattiness" at which the user gets suspended? Or do moderators literally just deal with the same thing over and over again without taking action against the user? If the latter is true, then yeah, I guess it doesn't make sense.
    – asteri
    Commented May 16, 2014 at 13:53
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    Comments get flagged and deleted, if the mods notice a user is being overly chatty in the comments or they are being flagged as rude they will be contacted by us. Being notified that your comments are being deleted will amount to unnecessary noise, IMO.
    – Taryn Mod
    Commented May 16, 2014 at 13:55
  • @JeffGohlke Having comments deleted will never result in any further automatic action against the user in question. If inappropriate comments are a repeated problem a moderator would manually contact the user, and manually apply a punishment if the behavior isn't corrected.
    – Servy
    Commented May 16, 2014 at 13:57
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    This would probably result in hundreds or thousands of new notifications per day, almost none of them being helpful in any real way. I moderate a fairly small site and if a question blows up with chatty responses I could end up deleting 20+ comments on a single question + answers
    – Zelda
    Commented May 16, 2014 at 13:57
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    @Servy Really? There's no automatic process for tallying how many comments a user has had deleted (especially for things like "rude or abusive")? That makes me really, really surprised.
    – asteri
    Commented May 16, 2014 at 13:58
  • @JeffGohlke I said there are no automatic actions taken. The actions are recorded, and the moderators presumably have tools for determining if a user has a lot of deleted comments. The point is simply that you won't be automatically banned when a given comment is deleted, even if that deleted comment raises moderator attention somewhere.
    – Servy
    Commented May 16, 2014 at 13:59
  • We can actually view all of a user's comments, including deleted ones.
    – Andrew Barber Mod
    Commented May 16, 2014 at 14:56
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    @bluefeet, "The overly chatty people on the site will hate this with a passion." True, but maybe the realization that their chatty comments are deleted will eventually train them to stop? In that way, deletion notifications wouldn't simply be noise, right?
    – kdbanman
    Commented Nov 26, 2015 at 18:26
  • Relevant: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/378109/… - In other words, a notification would've been helpful for me too.
    – Chris
    Commented Dec 20, 2018 at 20:39
  • related on meta SE: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/117854/… Commented Jun 28, 2019 at 7:57

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Your point about silent deleting of comments not allowing users to learn what is and is not acceptable on the site is a valid point. But at the same time, it brings up another point: not all comment deletions are about a comment being unacceptable.

Many comments are deleted because they're no longer valid. If you ask someone to add some information to the question/answer, and they provide it, your comment isn't valid anymore. It can be deleted.

To notify users about such cleanup work is the equivalent of telling someone that their trash has been picked up. Do you really need the garbage truck to send you an e-mail every time they come by your house? Indeed, such notifications could backfire: prolific users who see lots of questions may eventually opt-out of asking for clarification entirely, just to stop being pinged for something they don't care about anymore.

Similarly, if a comment has gone into thread-mode, and a moderator comes along to correctly move it to chat, do the users need to be pinged about it? No; if they're still interested in the thread, they'll find out quickly enough. And if they aren't, then they won't care that their comments are now chat messages.

In both of these cases, there is no need to "correct any kind of negative, harmful, or unacceptable behavior on the site". So if this were to happen, it should only happen if the comment is being removed for such reasons.

But there is still one last problem. Even in cases of corrective action, there exists the possibility that users... will complain about it.

Look at how many users come to MSO on a daily basis to complain about downvotes. Look at how many users have difficulty deciding what is and is not "rude" or "unkind" or whatever. Notifying someone every time such a comment is expunged is just begging for a big bunch of complaints about these incidents.

I understand the issue. But given all of these problems, I'd prefer to leave notifications in the hands of the moderators. If a moderator sees that a person is having a lot of comments deleted for such reasons, they have the power to notify the user directly. Doing it with some automated system just has the potential to cause too many problems.

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    Mod messages aren't too far from suspension, though. Deliberately making the only feedback mechanism the one that's used just before starting to cut off site access is a bad idea. Responsible users want something faster and lower-key than a very formal, permanently-recorded "shape up or ship out" ultimatum. Commented Aug 31, 2018 at 5:46
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    @NathanTuggy: "Mod messages aren't too far from suspension, though." How far those are from suspension sounds like a choice that individual moderators can make based on the circumstances. Commented Aug 31, 2018 at 5:51
  • @Nathan You will get at the very least a warning before a suspension. Much more likely that it is going to be more than just that. And the kind of messages that could get a user into a suspension are the a tiny minority of the messages that get deleted.
    – yivi
    Commented Aug 31, 2018 at 6:09
  • @yivi: Yes, that's what I said, isn't it? Other than the fact that comments leading to suspension are very rare. Which is true, but actually makes my point more important, since it means there are broad classes of comment that are bad but not bad enough to ever receive any direct feedback on. This is very inefficient and will inevitably leave lots and lots of users posting (between them) lots and lots of kinda crummy comments that aren't quite worth sending mod messages for, but that annoy tens or hundreds of thousands of users. Commented Aug 31, 2018 at 6:17
  • @Nathan So I guess you are just advocating comment deletion notification for comments that were deleted for reason of being rude or unkind, right? Those are the only ones that could lead to a suspension. That I could more or less agree with, and was already mentioned by Nicols in their answer. But still, I do not think you can post "lots and lots" of suspension-worthy comments before getting suspended. If you show a pattern like that, you are going to be shown the door rather quickly.
    – yivi
    Commented Aug 31, 2018 at 6:21
  • @yivi: Nicol is specifically arguing against adding any further response to comments on the spectrum of "less than fully polite", leaving users with more or less the current situation, in which users with a few truly horrible comments, a lot of lousy comments, or an awful lot of lame comments will get a mod message, and everybody else gets nothing. I am arguing that this is inadequate, because of the very numerous users that specifically don't post anywhere near enough comments each to be suspended, but do collectively post a lot. Commented Aug 31, 2018 at 7:10
  • @yivi: I haven't yet advocated any particular notifications, mostly because I do agree that individual notifications on deletion would be hopelessly noisy. Instead, we could try showing summarized stats with links to breakdowns, like flag history but in reverse. Or we could just automate the more routine "lotsa validated flags" mod messages and make them more common, possibly adding a new category to reduce their perceived negativity further. There are lots of possibilities! Commented Aug 31, 2018 at 7:13
  • @Nathan The distinction of "horrible/lousy/lame" comments is kinda lost on me. Only users with "unkind" or "rude" messages will end up getting a mod message, and it won't get many of those. So the scenario of "lots of comments" you are describing doesn't really happen, IMO.
    – yivi
    Commented Aug 31, 2018 at 7:55
  • @yivi: I'm referring to comments that are just a little bit rude, quite possibly by mistake. Comments that are nowhere near enough to justify suspending someone for unless that's all they ever do post. The "lots of comments" I'm referring to are not coming from one user, but from the "lots of users" I've mentioned twice already — thousands or tens of thousands. None of them need post anywhere near enough borderline comments to justify suspension or even a clear pattern for a mod message. But the result is still tens of thousands of comment deletions with no feedback at all. Commented Aug 31, 2018 at 8:08
  • @Nathan If those thousands of users do not post enough rude messages to warrant a warning, no need to tell them anything. It's just noise.
    – yivi
    Commented Aug 31, 2018 at 8:10
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    @yivi: So … instead of merely deleting these comments, why would we not consider trying to reduce their posting by allowing users from this cohort to have some idea that they should change? If there's noise, why would we not try to reduce it? And if there's enough rudeness in those comments to warn a user for a hundred times over — but not the actual ten thousand that posted — why does this dilution suddenly mean that literally nothing at all needs to be done? Commented Aug 31, 2018 at 8:15
  • @Nathan If they are not rude or unkind, I do not think there is anything that needs to be done. If they are, they need to be flagged and deleted. The threshold for warning/banning users is quite low, I think; so the users that are not hitting it are those that are not the problem.
    – yivi
    Commented Aug 31, 2018 at 8:22
  • @NathanTuggy: "Nicol is specifically arguing against adding any further response to comments on the spectrum of "less than fully polite"," No, I'm not. I'm arguing against any automatic system for doing so. I'm arguing for letting moderators decide when and who to contact, based on the deleted comments and their comment history. And I don't understand why moderator warning messages are, or should be, only used for the most egregious cases. Commented Aug 31, 2018 at 13:47
  • @NicolBolas: I read that as basically status quo, since that is what mods currently do, so I meant "further than present" not "further than nothing". As far as mod message severity goes, they can't be used for everything, and the answer does not recommend that. So there will inevitably be a minimum threshold. In practice, that threshold is likely to be fairly high, because a mod message is a permanent black mark of sorts. This means that there is guaranteed to be a decent number of deleted rude-ish comments whose authors, collectively, have no clue they did anything wrong. Commented Aug 31, 2018 at 17:12
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Comments are not posts. They are second class citizens. A comment can be deleted not only for being rude, offensive, or spam, but for simply being obsolete, or noise and not actively helpful.

Your comment was not actively helpful. Regardless of whether or not it was offensive, it doesn't sound like it was actually adding value, so a moderator is entirely within their rights to remove it.

There are no notifications because important information doesn't belong in comments in the first place. Deleting a comment should never be a big deal. If having something be deleted would be a big deal, it should be in a question or answer, not just a comment.

If a moderator finds a user to be repeatedly posting inappropriate comments, meriting deletion, to the point where it has become a problem, they can manually contact the user to explain the situation.

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    My point isn't that the comment shouldn't have been removed. It should have. It was that you can correct the behavior if you know something was wrong.
    – asteri
    Commented May 16, 2014 at 13:54
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    @JeffGohlke The whole situation just isn't that important. It's not worth the mods getting into a debate with every single user who has a comment deleted because they just don't matter that much.
    – Servy
    Commented May 16, 2014 at 13:55
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    Fair enough. A dont-reply e-mail notification or something in a drop down isn't an avenue for argument, though, any more than being notified that a post has been down voted. It's not like a moderator would be pulling someone into a chat room and sitting them down for a nice talk.
    – asteri
    Commented May 16, 2014 at 13:56
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    @JeffGohlke You're still attaching way more importance to your comments then the system does. They just don't matter that much.
    – Servy
    Commented May 16, 2014 at 13:58
  • @Servy: Your answer deserves at least the same up-votes, if not more than the answer by Oded. Reason: The humility of your answer is very much in tune with the humility that OP has put in the question. Commented Aug 12, 2015 at 3:25
  • 1 It's better for them to fix the problem earlier than later, so giving a warning is definitely better. 2 Stack Overflow moderators are very busy, they would more likely just suspend them. 3 On the other hand, it can be helpful to the user if they know that their comment being deleted is not a problem, so if they see their comment mysteriously disappear they don't need to worry about being suspended.
    – user202729
    Commented Mar 26, 2018 at 13:35
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    comments just don't matter that much. Disagree. It's user content. If you delete user content with no notification and no record, then it just feels like silent censorship. It flies in the face of the transparency that exists elsewhere on the site. After 7+ years here, I just discovered this happens and suddenly I don't trust SO as much as I used to. Based only on one moderator's opinion, my comment (which had an intended purpose) was removed and I was not notified or could learn anything about why. And, it was only luck that I even noticed which makes me wonder how often this happens.
    – jfriend00
    Commented Aug 30, 2018 at 4:51
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    After 10,000 answers and 30,000 comments, now I suddenly wonder what else is silently deleted on SO. And, I totally agree with the OP that deleting something with no rationale and no notification is like sending a kid to the corner for a timeout and not telling them why. It's unlikely to improve future behavior and will surely make the subject mad. The "importance" or "value" of comments is in the eye of the beholder. SO, can't tell us that our comments don't matter. That's for us to determine how much they matter to us.
    – jfriend00
    Commented Aug 30, 2018 at 4:54
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    @Servy If the situation "isn't that important" then the mods shouldn't be pissing on people by deleting their comments in the first place. On the other hand, if the comments are so harmful as to warrant silent nuking then, apparently their existence was important enough, and therefore the author should be notified so that they can improve in the future. Otherwise this is a massive contradiction. Commented Aug 30, 2018 at 13:14
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You should expect comments to get deleted.

If they are oh-so-important, they should get rolled into the post they are commenting on. At which point they are obsolete.

Comments exist in order to clarify/suggest fixes to the post - not for discussion.

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    My point isn't that the comment shouldn't have been removed. It should have. It was that you can correct the behavior if you know something was wrong.
    – asteri
    Commented May 16, 2014 at 13:55
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    @Jeff - sometimes the behaviour is fine. But if the OP followed up on a suggestion of a comment, that comment is obsolete. And should go. Why notify you about comments. Your request gives comments more importance than we are willing to give them.
    – Oded StaffMod
    Commented May 16, 2014 at 13:56
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    I don't think my contributions here are oh-so-important, but, gosh, is this really the posture you want to assume toward your users? "Oh, isn't that cute, somebody thinks they're oh-so-important." I'd like to know when my contributions are deleted. Yes, whether you think they're important or not. Yes, whether you think I sure care or not. I'd still like to know.
    – Wayne
    Commented Jul 28, 2014 at 0:24
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    And, yes, partly so I can correct bad behavior. And partly just because a system that doesn't do this is just sort of a rude system that doesn't care about its users.
    – Wayne
    Commented Jul 28, 2014 at 0:25
  • @lwburk - I am talking about comments, not users. The content, not the contributor.
    – Oded StaffMod
    Commented Jul 28, 2014 at 8:05
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    @lwburk - I see. You are thinking of Stack Overflow as a social site. We don't think the same - our focus is on content, not people.
    – Oded StaffMod
    Commented Jul 28, 2014 at 14:19
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    No, I get that. Or I get that you think that. But your contributors are people, so it is about people whether you like it or not.
    – Wayne
    Commented Jul 28, 2014 at 14:22
  • @Oded Perhaps your answer could clarify who should do the rolling of comments into posts, then, I assume, make this comment obsolete. Is there an assumption at SO that a poster will constantly massage a post to the point of removing all comments?
    – Ast Pace
    Commented Apr 21, 2015 at 16:43
  • @ASTPace - um. Anyone can do that. The commenter. The post OP. Another interested user (anonymous or not). That's why we have suggested edits and the edit privilege.
    – Oded StaffMod
    Commented Apr 21, 2015 at 17:38
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    "If [comments] are oh-so-important, they should get rolled into the post they are commenting on." This is great in theory, but it does not happen very consistently. I often encounter answers that have a critical addition or criticism as a highly upvoted comment that has not been integrated into the answer.
    – kdbanman
    Commented Nov 26, 2015 at 17:01
  • @kdb and you have the power to do so. Why not exercise it?
    – Oded StaffMod
    Commented Nov 26, 2015 at 18:13
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    I do, and so do others. The point is that integration doesn't happen instantly, so the content of a valuable comment is a first class citizen until it is integrated. I don't disagree with you. I just want to clarify that, at least temporarily, comments can be just as valuable as an answer
    – kdbanman
    Commented Nov 26, 2015 at 18:21
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    @Stijn - that certainly should be the case. Deleting comments should have no penalty, unless the comment itself would be (as you put it) blatantly out of line (and therefore cause for penalty all by itself).
    – Oded StaffMod
    Commented Sep 19, 2016 at 11:32
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    @Kyslik - people still want to discuss things. So, instead of having tha happen in comments, they can move them to chat, which is a much better medium for discussion.
    – Oded
    Commented May 17, 2018 at 11:59
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    @Kyslik Because the comments are not for discussion. So if people are having a discussion, that option offers the ability to move the discussion from the wrong place to the proper place. Commented Aug 30, 2018 at 13:13
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If a user isn't notified that their content was abusive or otherwise inappropriate, they can't correct the behaviour

I think this is best point on this feature-request. But the problem is that rude and unkind comments are still a very tiny minority of the comments that are deleted. Comments are deleted all the time and should be deleted all the time.

Providing notifications for all comment deletions when it could be potentially useful for only a very small fraction of these events wouldn't be smart. The downsides would drown the potential upsides.

Even if we only sent notification of deleted messages for rude or unkind messages, the downsides are still very likely be much more than the benefits. Each user being able to react to each deletion would get extremely noisy very quickly. For moderators. Here in meta. We'd get posts about this every day. We already get quite a few of these even now that comment deletion flies under the radar.

As an alternative, following the spirit of this question, I'd propose a solution that's less granular, but that still allows users to be more or less aware of how do they stand in regards to their behaviour in comments without the need of further moderator intervention.

The Rude-o-meterTM

Each user could have a Rude-o-meterTM, that would start in green for all users. As more rude or unkind messages are deleted, the Rude-o-meterTM would start getting darker (let's imagine a typical green-yellow-orange-red scale).

  • If you are green, everybody is happy.

  • If you are yellow, well, you are not part of the solution, but it is not yet time to get really worried. You know that some of your comments were deleted for being generally unwelcoming, and that a change of tack would be advisable. No need to know exactly which comments, nor exactly how many (you should be more or less aware, and if not it's not important, the important thing is that you know that a change is warranted).

  • If you are orange, it's worrying time. By this time you would have normally gotten a mod-warning, although the Rude-o-meterTM would provide this kind of notification as a standard feature. It's built this way. You have been naughty and the next stop is suspension time.

  • If you are red, you are suspended. Hopefully, the whole process is automatic so the suspensions would escalate. First one X weeks, second one 2X weeks, third time 4X weeks, etc.

This would provide some feedback on comment deletion opening an avenue for users to know they have to do better when communicating with other users, without increasing the noise level, and hopefully reducing a tiny bit moderator workload since Rude-o-meterTM notifications could replace mod-warnings in many cases, and hopefully, the whole system would make some users change their attitude without further mod intervention.

More implementation details

  • The Rude-o-meterTM should only consider comment deletions in the last 12 months. So your Rude-o-meterTM situation would automatically better if you start behaving better as time goes on.

  • Although the system feeds from comments deletion, it shouldn't be calculated directly from deleted comments, but from a separate point system. E.g. each time, you get an unwelcoming comment deleted, you get a Rude-o-meterTM point.

  • On coming back from the first suspension the user should "recover" enough points for them to go back to "yellow". Following suspensions should drop the user back to "orange".

  • The specific point thresholds of the Rude-o-meterTM should be kept secret and could be changed and tuned if necessary.

Rude-o-meter it is not an actual registered trade-mark.

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    This is a nice idea, perhaps it should be a feature request on its own. But what about helpful comments, shouldn't they be calculated to improve the rude-o-meter? 5 rude out of 6 in a year is different than 5 rude out of 1000 in the same period.
    – user000001
    Commented Aug 31, 2018 at 10:10
  • I like this idea but I don't think this should replace mod-warnings. Personally I have autism and I can't tell it when I did something rude, you basicly have to slap a comment in my face stating This is rude, don't do it again for me to understand it. But this sounds like a great addition (even for me because it gives me a warning so I can ask for advice on what I'm doing) Commented Aug 31, 2018 at 10:14
  • @user000001It should probably be a FR on its own, you are right. But I begun writing and got carried away. And in a short bit I'm going away on holidays mostly off-grid, so I am not sure I'll be able to create the correct post for a few days. Regarding your other point: Helpful comments do not make you less rude, nor less likely to be suspended. These are not taken into account today, and should not be taken into account into the future. Being helpful does not give your the right to be rude or unkind.
    – yivi
    Commented Aug 31, 2018 at 11:13
  • @AndréKool the Rude-o-Meter should not completely replace our dear mods, nor it could. Yet. So standard mod messages could be sent as well, if needed. The idea would be to give more information about comment deletions in a way that's both useful and not noisy.
    – yivi
    Commented Aug 31, 2018 at 11:15
  • Would the rude-o-meter be visible to other end-users?
    – Kevin B
    Commented Aug 31, 2018 at 15:40
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    I don’t think it should. It’s solely to help the rude-o-meter owner. @kevin
    – yivi
    Commented Aug 31, 2018 at 15:41
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    That's a good idea, btw, something like a sender reputation implemented by mailing service providers ( at least I know SES does do that ). As an addition, it should probably degrade over time ( as heated discussions tend to generate offensive comments, and once everyone cools off, there is little or no point in counting them against the user .)
    – 0Valt
    Commented Oct 4, 2020 at 16:00
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With the recent enhancements to flagging of comments, it appears that more comments are getting flagged and the mods are responding by deleting more comments. This seems to be happening more now than it used to.

When those comments are deleted by a mod, there is no notification to the author and no history to see what happened or why it happened.

This has the following downsides:

  1. The author has no chance to learn how to better use the site or what they did wrong with their comment. My analogy is it's kind of like sending a four-year-old to sit in the corner for 15 minutes, but not telling them why. It has little chance of modifying behavior for the better and is guaranteed to make them mad. Just like we know that's not a good way to parent, that's also not a good way to moderate.

  2. If the author somehow discovers that their content was deleted without any notification or history, they will wonder what happened, wonder what else they wrote might have been silently deleted and begin to question the whole transparency of SO which is otherwise very good (all of those happened to me when my comment was silently deleted).

  3. The whole notion that you should just "expect comments to be deleted" does not fit with the overall nature of SO. Comments are the only way we have to communicate with other users on the site (outside of writing an answer). Sure, if you clearly violate terms of service, then certainly content can be deleted, but even then the author should be notified and be given some idea why (even if it's just tagged with a broad category). If a mod can't even take the time to click one broad area choice for why it's being deleted and the SO system can't notify them that their content was deleted and communicate that broad category of reason, then the system is really not working to the benefit of everyone.

  4. I am now seeing comments get deleted because they "might" trigger an off-topic or undesirable discussion. IMO, that's not right. Comments should get deleted when they do go in a wrong direction, not because they might go in a wrong direction.

If you want Stack Overflow to continue with its excellent architecture of transparency, want users to learn from their mistakes and improve their behavior, want users to continue to trust the content on Stack Overflow, then users need to be notified anytime one of their comments is deleted with at least a broad reason for why.

Silently deleting user content is a slippery slope that I think we all want Stack Overflow to stay far away from.

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    Comments are temporal. They should only exist as a whisper on the wind. If a comment is removed it should be a non-event. We've mutated comments to be the beast they are today by believing that there's more weight and dignity attached to them than there actually is.
    – Makoto
    Commented Aug 30, 2018 at 22:11
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    "My analogy is it's kind of like sending a four year old to sit in the corner for 15 minutes, but not telling them why." Except nobody goes in the corner for deleted comments. Ever. There is literally no problem with having a no longer needed comment deleted, there are problems with posting abusive comments. Moderators will (I think, it never happened to me but it's how it's documented) contact users that need to be contacted. Commented Aug 30, 2018 at 22:12
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    @FélixGagnon-Grenier - The point is that you feel like your content got whacked (which it did) and you don't know why and it was only accidental that you even found out. It does nothing to influence behavior and is likely to make the author mad. There could be very different outcomes if you're notified and given a reason. You could learn and adapt and improve your use of the site.
    – jfriend00
    Commented Aug 30, 2018 at 22:13
  • I assume you mean all the "Why was my answer downvoted?" comments? though, i would like to be notified too when my comments are deleted.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Aug 30, 2018 at 22:13
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    @jfriend00 Yes, I do feel that as well when I see my bad puns get deleted, and other comments where I am a bit more heavy handed towards another user. I don't know, I think I understand your point, and I felt we'd need notifications in the past, but at some point, I started to simply feel that there would be so much noise and retaliation if we'd get notifications. Image all the "oh yeah so you bast*** flagged my comments?! How dare you let me downvote your shit"... Commented Aug 30, 2018 at 22:16
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    That is honestly an unfortunate shortcoming of the system. Comments cannot be indexed, searched on, favorited, or anything like that, whereas questions and answers enjoy this privilege. You cannot even see deleted comments, even with rep as high as yours (right now). The only way we can stop acting like comments are more important than they are is if we start instilling reality - they're temporal. They can go away at any time. Do not treat them any differently than simply a way to request additional feedback from the OP. (Meta is an exception.)
    – Makoto
    Commented Aug 30, 2018 at 22:17
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    @FélixGagnon-Grenier - If you're getting notification overflow because of lots of deleted comments, then you would need to learn from that and change your behavior. That's a perfect example of how notifications would improve things. Right now, you might never even know you were getting lots of comments deleted so would have no reason to change behavior.
    – jfriend00
    Commented Aug 30, 2018 at 22:17
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    Honestly, no, it means that the system is broken and has been broken for a long time if one believes that comments are the right way to mentor. That doesn't scale and this is prime reason why - comments aren't meant to live for very long. Another solution has to be put in place, but let's not let the lack of a solution justify abuse of another service.
    – Makoto
    Commented Aug 30, 2018 at 22:26
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    @jfriend00 Are those comments actually being deleted?
    – Kevin B
    Commented Aug 30, 2018 at 22:31
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    Yes - you should stop. Just close the question. The Help Center should cover these circumstances. If it doesn't, advocate for that to get updated so you don't have to consistently explain the same thing to the same group of people time and time again.
    – Makoto
    Commented Aug 30, 2018 at 22:33
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    Welcome to what has been the last six or so months of Meta discussion. If you really, really, really think that this is a deficiency, you should advocate for changes in the system. Your advice and guidance is genuinely being lost in the wind. I don't think you quite get this - I'm on your side here. I just disagree with your methodology.
    – Makoto
    Commented Aug 30, 2018 at 22:37
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    I don't think mods are going around approving comment flags on useful comments such as the ones you're mentioning. I've certainly had a few flags on noisy "welcoming" comments declined recently. but comments that are no longer useful almost always get deleted with little effort.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Aug 30, 2018 at 22:44
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    And, yes, i think people who post low quality content should receive downvotes. Lots of them. Newbies included.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Aug 31, 2018 at 2:27
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    I like giving users a helping hand when they need it. But i'm not going to forgo using my votes while i'm doing so.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Aug 31, 2018 at 2:28
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    @jfriend00: "Silently deleting user content is a slippery slope that I think we all want Stack Overflow to stay far away from." Considering that comments have been deleted for years now, and we haven't fallen into that "slippery slope", maybe that's not a particular danger. Commented Aug 31, 2018 at 5:09

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