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I have a feeling that certain programmer communities are more prone to downvote than others.

Is there a statistic I can look at to verify this hypothesis?

For example, do Haskellers vote down more than Pythonistas?

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    Have a visit to the c++ shark tank ;) Oct 30, 2016 at 10:30
  • c++ is my preferred. But there's a 2nd down vote now. Oct 30, 2016 at 10:32
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  • @Hans Oh, c++ doesn't even appear :/ Oct 30, 2016 at 10:38
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    If the premise of your question is I want to know in which tags people downvote more so I can avoid them, it is mistaken. Downvoting and upvoting are both part of how the community works, and they are both very important. A misguided upvote is just as harmful to the site as a misguided downvote.
    – Tunaki
    Oct 30, 2016 at 11:44
  • @πάνταῥεῖ: Well, c++ appears at position 22. You have to scroll down the result list.
    – honk
    Oct 30, 2016 at 13:13
  • @honk Catch 22 actually? That's a nice one. Oct 30, 2016 at 13:15
  • We can calculate this with the SQL API no?
    – Sean Reddy
    Oct 30, 2016 at 14:35
  • @SeanReddy see Hans Passant's comment
    – Glorfindel
    Oct 30, 2016 at 17:12
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    Can we have a query which only takes the last 1 or 2 years into account? That would give the current trend more accurately I guess.
    – Codebender
    Oct 31, 2016 at 7:03
  • @Codebender A good place to start might be Sudden change in voting proportion, though the queries there do not distinguish between tags. (In any case, I think it is plausible that the trends in each tag should roughly follow the global trend unless there is a sudden demographic shift in a particular tag. This hypothesis, of course, would have to be verified.)
    – duplode
    Oct 31, 2016 at 17:31

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The hypothesis can be (partly) verified with this version of the query mentioned in a comment by Hans Passant, which was adjusted to cover all tags with 25000+ questions. Here are the positions among the 189 included tags, as well as the answer downvote/upvote ratios, for the tags mentioned in this discussion :

Following user000001's suggestion, here is the corresponding query for questions, as well as sample results for the same tags:

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  • Note that the query description only mentions answers, and not questions.
    – user000001
    Oct 30, 2016 at 19:45
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    I find it very disappointing that D/U is greater than 1 for all tags
    – Uri Goren
    Oct 30, 2016 at 19:47
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    @UriGoren The values are percentual. For vba, for instance, there are three downvotes for every hundred upvotes.
    – duplode
    Oct 30, 2016 at 19:49
  • @user000001 Assuming the query linked by Hans Passant is correct (and it looks like it is), only answers are included.
    – duplode
    Oct 30, 2016 at 19:50
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    @duplode: Exactly. But the question asks for the ratio in general, not only for answers. The query should be forked to include both IMO.
    – user000001
    Oct 30, 2016 at 19:52
  • @user000001 Indeed, the wrong assumption was mine. That would be a worthwhile addition.
    – duplode
    Oct 30, 2016 at 19:55
  • I've updated the query (see data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/edit/567266)
    – Uri Goren
    Oct 30, 2016 at 20:03
  • Now it shows potential reputation increase by tag
    – Uri Goren
    Oct 30, 2016 at 20:03
  • (-2*downvote + 10*upvote) / (total votes) , very interesting !
    – Uri Goren
    Oct 30, 2016 at 20:04
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    @user000001 Following your suggestion, I added data about questions. Questions and answers are different animals, so I believe it makes sense to look at the data for each case separately, rather than merging them into a single query.
    – duplode
    Oct 30, 2016 at 23:20
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    results are likely skewed because there is no data on deleted posts (as far as I know SEDE PostsWithDeleted doesn't have the information about votes down and up). And skew might be quite substantial - for example about 3/4 of 40,000 posts I reviewed in close queue are deleted, and many of them had votes down
    – gnat
    Oct 31, 2016 at 8:37
  • the results do not show "dangerous tags for asking". Tags such as if-statement, for-loop being at the top indicate questions from complete beginners i.e., it is consistent with the unsurprising observation: "people new to programming ask worse questions"
    – jfs
    Oct 31, 2016 at 10:47
  • All those upvotes in php (in fact, in all of the web technologies) are upsetting. Those tags are steaming. Oct 31, 2016 at 11:32
  • @gnat Indeed, though one might expect there is correlation between downvotes and deletions, in which case the results above would be at least a faint echo of the real situation.
    – duplode
    Oct 31, 2016 at 12:49
  • @J.F.Sebastian I didn't bother with changing the tongue-in-cheek title of the original query. Ideally, tags such as if-statement would be left out of the ranking; however, there seems to be no metadata about tags for doing that automatically via SEDE.
    – duplode
    Oct 31, 2016 at 12:57
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I have a feeling that certain programmer communities are more prone to down-vote than others.

That may be well true. Some tags have more engaged users than others. Though it's completely unclear what you want to deviate with such statistics. I don't see a goal.

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    When choosing a technical stack, the community is huge factor for me. I think that the down-vote rate is a measurement of a community's tolerance to questions.
    – Uri Goren
    Oct 30, 2016 at 10:42
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    @UriGoren You should expect an extremely low tolerance in all the major programming language tags. Oct 30, 2016 at 10:43
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    Why ? some programming languages are designed for beginners (such as basic, python) and some languages are less inviting for beginners (such as haskell).... at least this is my prior assumption
    – Uri Goren
    Oct 30, 2016 at 10:47
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    @UriGoren How do you expect I can give you a concise answer for that? Check the brainfuck or malbolge tags to get some more insight. Oct 30, 2016 at 10:49
  • Actually, I got the answer from Hans, it's a shame there are so few tags. It's interesting whether the D/U correlates with the level of proficiency
    – Uri Goren
    Oct 30, 2016 at 10:56
  • @UriGoren I still don't get what you're actually after. Oct 30, 2016 at 10:57
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    @πάνταῥεῖ does it matter? The question is answerable with a SEDE query, as Hans already showed, and those questions are fine. What is done with the information obtained from it is up to any reader. That said: your answer doesn't address the question, have my down vote.
    – rene
    Oct 30, 2016 at 11:06
  • @rene THX, I was awaiting DV's for that answer. The information itself is pretty useless though. Let's say a XY problem. Oct 30, 2016 at 11:07
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    Sure, and a warning is fine but it is not up to us to judge before hand. That will block change and I don't think that is a good thing.
    – rene
    Oct 30, 2016 at 11:10
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    @rene May be I'm thinking a bit too far ahead. Oct 30, 2016 at 11:11
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    @πάνταῥεῖ yes, you are, glad you realized that on your own, have a cookie.
    – rene
    Oct 30, 2016 at 11:12
  • @rene But in general that turns out to be a good thing ;) Oct 30, 2016 at 11:13
  • THX for the backup whoever gave that to the crazy cat women. :P Oct 30, 2016 at 11:29
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    "deviate"? Do you mean "derive"? Oct 30, 2016 at 11:30
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    I think that the down-vote rate is a measurement of a community's tolerance to questions that doesn't take into account at all that the quality of questions, and the quantity of low quality questions, will vary massively per tag. In some tags, it's just the experts answering each others questions; in others, it's everyone and their dog. I don't think you will learn anything useful from this statistic.
    – Pekka
    Oct 30, 2016 at 11:30

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