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Brad's comment is the only worded dissent I have read, yet there are many downvotes. If you disagree with me then please explain why?

I am asking that the automatic posting of a comment should be made clear before it happens. To me, downvotes here seem to be saying that those comments should be kept a secret, which is bizarre

This is especially weird as the automatic comment seems to rely either on the amount of text or whether the catalyst text has been left in place

I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because 

I always overwrite this and explain myself in several sentences. I have never seen my reason for closure displayed as a comment, so I can only guess what the criterion may be


This issue was brought to my attention by fellow subscriber simbabque in this comment and the subsequent dialogue

It seems that sometimes, and without warning, reporting a post may result in a comment beneath that post containing the ideas and reasons that I assumed were private and for the eyes of the moderators only

This needs to be fixed, either by informing the user clearly that their words will be made public, or by stopping the automated comments

Suppose I want to report a post saying, "My demonstration didn't fail, and she was in bed with me in London while my colleague did it for me, so she didn't even see it"

The specific case that I have encountered recently is when I want to make a close vote on the grounds of the post being off-topic

I get this prompt

  • off-topic because ...

and more often than not the case isn't covered by the six pre-written choices. (I could submit a question to Stack Overflow about being unable to peel an orange, and it wouldn't be excluded by any of the main options. It's disgraceful.)

So I select the other category

  • Other (add a comment explaining what is wrong)

and I get a text box pre-filled with

I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because

I tend to use the off-topic/other category to explain myself when none of the other labels seem to fit. In such situations I feel that I should explain myself, and so generally take two or three sentences to phrase my submission, and I have never noticed a situation where my ideas have been published as a comment

I suspect the automation depends either on the length of the text or, more likely, on whether it starts with the stock pre-fill I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because

Stack Overflow is full of stuff like this, and it is inappropriate. You can't, and shouldn't try to, automate human ideas and opinions. At the very least, contributors to the site should be made aware that their votes and thoughts will be made public

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    Just press CTRL-Home and start to type what you think is the appropriate reason to close the question. It's on your behalf. I would have simply chosen as unclear what you're asking or too broad. Mar 22, 2016 at 18:15
  • @πάνταῥεῖ: I can think of many ways to avoid the problem. The issue is that the problem isn't apparent in the first place
    – Borodin
    Mar 22, 2016 at 18:18
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    Close Votes are not anonymous, why should your comment be?
    – Paulie_D
    Mar 22, 2016 at 18:20
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    @Borodin, everything about closing is public. The users who vote to close are public. The reason they chose is public. If you choose a custom reason, it is public too. Mar 22, 2016 at 18:20
  • @Paulie_D: As far as I know, close votes are made public only if the post is finally closed. Surely I don't need to explain that reasons for a vote are much more specific than the vote itself, and the implication is that what I type isn't generally accessible. I have no problem with it being so, but in that case the situation should be made clear before the words are submitted
    – Borodin
    Mar 22, 2016 at 18:25
  • @FrédéricHamidi: Given a question with just one downvote, are you saying that there's a place where I can see who placed that vote and their reason?
    – Borodin
    Mar 22, 2016 at 18:27
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    When an option explicitly says "(add a comment explaining what is wrong)", what did you think that would do? Where did you think that comment would go?
    – Brad Larson Mod
    Mar 22, 2016 at 18:28
  • @πάνταῥεῖ: plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose
    – Borodin
    Mar 22, 2016 at 18:30
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    @BradLarson: Enough sarcasm please. The implication is that it will be submitted to the moderators, who will use it to judge whether the post should be closed. It doesn't follow that those words are clear just because you know what really does happen
    – Borodin
    Mar 22, 2016 at 18:32
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    @Borodin, if you also have the VtC privilege, you can see which reason was chosen (but not by whom). Why are you so afraid of the custom reason being a public comment? Mar 22, 2016 at 18:33
  • @FrédéricHamidi: RIght. However, a comment submitted automatically when I vote to close under off topic / other is visible to everyone. This doesn't even make sense: as far as I know no comment is posted automatically for any other class of close request
    – Borodin
    Mar 22, 2016 at 18:36
  • @Borodin, yup, that's a special case (quite justified IMHO given you are using a custom close reason). That feature is relatively new, it wasn't always like this. Mar 22, 2016 at 18:37
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    All I can say is that I think the current wording of "I'm voting to close this" comes off as unnecessarily confrontational and so you don't really expect such a thing to be posted as a public comment. The previous "This question appears to be off-topic because", while a little awkward, was much more passive.
    – BoltClock
    Mar 22, 2016 at 18:43
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    Realistically, the problem is rarely ever the canned text, @BoltClock. It's the stuff folks type after it. The most common reason is, as always, "not programming-related" - if that's actually debatable, it should probably be debated.
    – Shog9
    Mar 22, 2016 at 19:57
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    Yeah, I got that. So what do you want to happen? Be specific.
    – Shog9
    Mar 22, 2016 at 20:26

2 Answers 2

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It seems that sometimes, and without warning, reporting a post may result in a comment beneath that post containing the ideas and reasons that I assumed were private and for the eyes of the moderators only

I think you are being confused between what close votes are for and what other flags are for. Close votes are not the same as moderator attention flags. Any 3k user can vote to close questions they feel are off-topic on Stack Overflow. In this context, as many of the comments have pointed out, everything is public.

Flag vs close

Even though you can "flag" a post for closure, you're not really flagging it for a moderator at all. You are actually casting a close vote instead since you have the 3k privilege. Both the "flag as should be closed" and the "close" link have the same effect of casting a (public) close vote.

Suppose I want to report a post saying, "My demonstration didn't fail, and she was in bed with me in London while my colleague did it for me, so she didn't even see it"

This is completely irrelevant and should be edited out of the post it appears in. If you felt it warrants extra attention, you should use a custom moderator flag (and the bottom of the dialog). Custom moderator flags go directly to moderators, and those messages/details are indeed private among the moderators.

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  • What you're saying here exemplifies and clarifies a lot. The menu we see after we click close is the same as the one after flag and should be closed.... I would guess it has the same functionality too. This seems horribly wrong, and it's the sort of choice that I imagine would be made so as to relieve pressure from the moderators rather than to provide a consistent intuitive interface. But it compounds my problem. Not only does a comment sometimes appear as a result of my actions sometimes, but also the moderators are involved sometimes. I would have expected much better
    – Borodin
    Mar 22, 2016 at 20:31
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Maybe the text could be even more explicit, but when we select the "Other" category the text says (my emphasis, quoting your quote):

  • Other (add a comment explaining what is wrong)

That doesn't compute with the statement "I have never noticed a situation where my ideas have been published as a comment".

I see that category selection as the system telling us we're going to add a comment. It's kind of DNA of the site, we post Questions, Answers and Comments.

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