I would appreciate the moderators looking at the edit frenzy which spans 11 pages of activity and is entering its third hour here.
4 Answers
As someone else who has a majority of answers in the VBA tag, I think this is a bad set of edits to make.
Much of VBA applies to all applications using it. Some VBA is specific. If I am trying to do something in Outlook I might be able to use code which also works in Excel. A smaller percentage of code is specific to Outlook VBA (and frankly the majority of that can be run from other applications, too).
Removing the vba tag off of everything hides this and makes it less clear, especially since nearly EVERYONE will select vba as their first tag.
I don't understand the need for these edits.
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2I first saw Remou (now fionnuala) retag
VBA
questions asExcel-VBA
some years back, which to me made sense, as some of these questions were specific to the Excel object model, and would not have worked in Access, Outlook etc. Certainly code that works across the MSFT product suite should be taggedVBA
- not sure though that having bothVBA
andExcel-VBA
for an Excel specific question is the best path.– brettdjCommented Mar 27, 2015 at 2:02 -
2I'd second this - it's counter-intuitive as nobody actually uses the term excel-vba in any other context. The language is actually called VBA for real, and you could tag the question as Access-VBA and VBA or Excel-VBA and VBA to achieve the same level of selectivity. Tagging the questions like this is quite unhelpful as they would be excluded from tag searches for vba. Commented Mar 27, 2015 at 14:52
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8I am the proprietor of a commercial application with a large layer written in VBA which has only the most peripheral connection with Excel. I haven't reviewed all 395 edits, but if as it seems on a quick sample there has been some attempt to remove the VBA tag I need to register the strongest possible exception. I would also seriously question the judgment of anyone who took any such task upon themselves to this extent and rapidity without consulting the community. Commented Mar 28, 2015 at 22:16
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@brettdj Shouldn't these questions be tagged excel-object-model or excel-objects instead of excel-vba? See here. Commented Jul 30, 2015 at 22:46
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1@ZevSpitz Your suggestion is no better and just makes more application specific tags cluttering up the place! Commented Sep 10, 2015 at 14:04
The issue I have with these edits is that they take two perfectly useful tags (Excel and VBA), and combine them into one tag that makes it seem like Excel's VBA is different from other flavors of VBA. While there are APIs; it's not a fundamentally different language. It'd be like removing javascript and windows and changing it to jscript.
If anyone would like to add that tag in addition to excel and vba, then so be it. That's fine.
If you believe a question tagged only excel is off-topic, then vote to close it. We've had that discussion before, and the consensus is not to vote to close certain types of excel questions.
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@pnuts we try not to focus on interpersonal issues in a public arena. when it does happen, it's usually because the accused brings it up first.– George Stocker ModCommented Mar 26, 2015 at 23:17
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1@pnuts I'm ok with a downvote if that means not airing dirty laundry in public.– George Stocker ModCommented Mar 27, 2015 at 0:41
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1@ZevSpitz no thanks we should be burning application specific tags not encouraging more. Commented Sep 10, 2015 at 14:05
I just want to also point out what the vba tag excerpt says (with my added emphasis):
Visual Basic for Applications (VBA) is an event-driven, object-oriented programming language for writing macros, used for the entire Office suite as well as other applications. If your question is specifically about programming Excel, Access, Word or Outlook, also use the appropriate tag: excel-vba, access-vba, word-vba or outlook-vba.
Clearly that text doesn't tell you to mutually exclude vba from any of the specific office tags, it tells you to include both.
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1I don’t agree that it’s a corollary, @pnuts. This instruction is written in vba tag excerpt, therefore the vba tag is already used. Now it recommends to specify further, if the question is more specific. When you use only excel-vba, you don’t see this guideline.– PalecCommented Mar 27, 2015 at 15:22
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@pnuts And if excel-vba were replaced with excel-object-model or excel-objects the whole discussion would be irrelevant. Commented Jul 30, 2015 at 22:58
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Ok brettdj. You won. I am requesting a deletion of my account.
Oh btw... what an amazing suggestion to confuse people ; keyword: also
https://stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/5308775
and
https://stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/4700422
not this one vs in addition to this in addition to this one.
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38If your response to a disagreement is to delete your account, then maybe you should just take a break from the site. You provide valuable content, and it'd be a shame for your to quit over something trivial like this.– Taryn ModCommented Mar 26, 2015 at 14:47
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1I have been on quite a long break... havent really been participating as you havent noticed. I am just fed up with all the nerds :) please delete, forget and move on.– user2140173Commented Mar 26, 2015 at 14:48
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12If you really want to delete your account, then you'll need to follow the instructions here. As I said, it'd be shame for you to quit over a disagreement like this.– Taryn ModCommented Mar 26, 2015 at 14:50
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21Actually I didn't win anything. - it really doesn't matter to me if you chose to participate here or not. A functional site matters to me.– brettdjCommented Mar 26, 2015 at 14:51
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3cheers, done. gl & hf– user2140173Commented Mar 26, 2015 at 14:51
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22I voted to undelete entirely because I wanted to comment that while I've never personally been in your shoes (being called out on meta like this) I think you will be doing both yourself and the community a disservice by leaving. I hope you can still be a part of this site while aquiescing to the will of the community that these particular edits of yours were not welcome. Commented Mar 27, 2015 at 1:32
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1I just now saw this. I've gotta say that I don't understand what happened here. I made the edit you linked to at your recommendation many moons ago. Commented Jul 31, 2015 at 0:23
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@pnuts Shouldn't have [*-vba] full stop it's just noise. Should be synonym of object-modal and used along with the application specific tag like excel for example. Encouraging use of these tags is just wrong and serves a small few who want to be able to filter their queues easily. It's got nothing to do with losing information as the excuse goes. Commented Sep 10, 2015 at 14:02
VBA
is a language andExcel
(amongst others) is a subject. They are two distinct things and the tags should be distinct as well. This is a general opinion, I have no knowledge at all ofVBA