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I have at least two questions that I asked that were closed or put on hold for being too broad or being unclear what the question was asking. Both questions were answered, and in both cases, the answers were very good ones in my opinion that would help a lot of other people in addition to myself.

I have edited both of them to hopefully make them better questions, but I am unsure what to do at this point, as the closure/hold of at least one of them is really hurting me vote wise when combined with some other down votes, as I can no longer ask a question (banned from it).

Since they were both answered before being closed, is there any particular thing that should be done with them? They were both answered very well in my opinion.

The questions are: How do I run a JUnit Test on the exception handlers of a method and when a function normally uses a file for input?

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What sources of data/parameters should I use when Unit testing?

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  • First thing would be to edit your posts (this and the other question) so it's not a wall of text.
    – gunr2171
    Jul 1, 2014 at 17:58
  • Is that better for this one?
    – cluemein
    Jul 1, 2014 at 18:23
  • Much easier on the eyes, yes. It's really the simple changes (line new lines) that can help turn a negative post into a positive one.
    – gunr2171
    Jul 1, 2014 at 18:24
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    I voted to re-open your second question. Your first question, though, is a different matter. You've strung together a number of issues which at first glance look like a series of different questions. My instinct would have been to close as too broad, but after the third or fourth reading I could see that you're really focussing on a specific aspect of testing, but have hidden it in so much verbiage. A simple example of what you're trying to test and an attempt at a unit test for it would have made things so much clearer. As it stands, 'unclear' would still get my vote.
    – user1864610
    Jul 1, 2014 at 19:59

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You should do the exact same thing that you'd do if the questions weren't answered. Make the unclear questions clearer and make the broad questions narrower.

The fact that someone posted an answer to an unclear question doesn't mean that the question is clear. Some people are just really good at divining what is meant by an unclear question. Other people just make a whole bunch of assumptions and make a guess at what they think is being asked. Even if such a person ends up being right, it doesn't mean the question is clear, or that it shouldn't be fixed to make it clear. The assistance of an answer may help you determine how to better convey what you're really asking though.

The fact that someone has posted an answer to a very broad question doesn't mean it's not too broad. The most common situation here is that the answer isn't actually complete, and instead is only addressing a very small portion of the question asked. If that is the only portion that you really care about, then you may be able to narrow the scope of the question to exclude the other content that couldn't be covered.

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  • ok. But would improving the question actually get it reopened since its already been answered? (Also a long time ago I just realized, I ignorantly closed one of my own questions because it had been answered, whoops rofl).
    – cluemein
    Jul 1, 2014 at 18:36
  • You aren't speaking from the important thing. The important thing is, that there is practically no way to reopen an once closed question. Yes, I know, theoretically yes. But practically, none, because most of the reopen votes never ends or have a negative result. It is partially the problem of the system (there is no way to contact the people closed your question), and partially the moderators/reviewers (they are using your power often for unneeded hostility).
    – peterh
    Jul 1, 2014 at 18:37
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    @PeterHorvath Before the reopen queue existed, yes, that was more or less true. Now that we have a reopen queue that's simply not the case, and posts that get improved to the point of no longer meeting the close criteria can easily be reopened.
    – Servy
    Jul 1, 2014 at 18:39
  • @Servy Your statements directly contradicts my experience. It is simply not so. Hostile closing of questions, marking similar questions as (exact) duplicates, it is quite common here. I really can't understand, what is the psychological background, what makes the misuse of the power so funny.
    – peterh
    Jul 1, 2014 at 18:45
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    @PeterHorvath Classifying it as misuse is exactly the wrong attitude to have. Could it be? Maybe. I sincerely doubt it, though. Rather, look at it as a sign of needing improvement. It's constructive criticism at it's core, and taking a hostile approach to what is, at its essence, feedback designed to help, doesn't do you, or anyone else, any good.
    – fbueckert
    Jul 1, 2014 at 19:00
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    @PeterHorvath Sounds like you simply don't like the closing criteria, rather than that there are questions not meeting the close criteria that aren't being reopened.
    – Servy
    Jul 1, 2014 at 19:01
  • Ok, the question that was closed, and I made better (and which I made better), is still closed, and even worse, just got voted down more. After making many improvements. I was on Servy's side of this argument, until that happened. I fix it so it gets voted down further?!?!
    – cluemein
    Jul 1, 2014 at 19:58
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    @cluemein You're drawing a whole bunch of attention to your questions by posting about them here on meta. They've been viewed by lots of people who could reopen the question if they felt that it merited reopening. That they haven't indicates that they feel it shouldn't be reopened. Getting a downvote indicates the same thing; people read the question and felt that, after the edit, it was not acceptable.
    – Servy
    Jul 1, 2014 at 20:00
  • Well, have you read my question? It seems to be quite clear, and not broad to me, and I made it less so now. I am starting to feel that it is all chance now, and I might as well clear cookies and cache, and all other tracking, wait for my ip address to get renewed to a new one and make a new account. Because if I make my questions better, and they simply get voted down for the heck of it (read what it was previously, it was improved, I put work into this), I really have no incentive to try improving my answers. speaking hypothetically, not planning to, just illustrating the implications.
    – cluemein
    Jul 1, 2014 at 20:11
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    @cluemein You're asking how you want to approach testing a problem. How is that not a broad question? Even the answers make it clear that the question is too broad when they open up with "it depends". They each had to make a whole bunch of assumptions to narrow the context themselves to provide a reasonably scoped answer, but since those assumptions aren't in the question, the answers are incomplete. They'd need to cover all possibilities that they choose not to bring up to be complete answers.
    – Servy
    Jul 1, 2014 at 20:25
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    @cluemein The problem is that an answer to your question of "do A or B" cannot be answered with just "Do A". It merits explanation. Again, just because a given answer provides all you want to know doesn't mean it's a complete answer to the question. If someone asks, "What should I do with my life" and someone answers, "become a programmer" the fact that an answer is provided doesn't mean that the question isn't broad. The fact that the answer was acceptable to the person asking the question also doesn't mean the question or the answer are quality posts.
    – Servy
    Jul 1, 2014 at 20:40
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    @cluemein And by strawmanning, you have demonstrated why your questions have not been reopened. You are making an attempt to apply the feedback, but you seem to be of the attitude, "I have put in my effort, that makes the question acceptable." Never mind that while, yes, effort is a good thing, it does not automatically make what you are asking acceptable. You've been given more feedback on what you need to improve to make the question better. You can either accept it, or not.
    – fbueckert
    Jul 1, 2014 at 20:50
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    @cluemein And yet there have been quite a lot of people who have looked at your question, and quite a lot more have felt that it was too broad than felt that it wasn't. It seems that your opinion of how broad a question should be simply differs from the other members of the community. SO is designed for specific programming questions.
    – Servy
    Jul 1, 2014 at 21:02
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    @cluemein Again, you are using the answer to prop up your question. Questions have to stand on their own in order to be valid. Whether you got an answer or not is entirely immaterial. From a quick read of your first question, it seems to be asking more for a primer on testing than an actual problem. I don't use SO much, but if I did, for something like this, I would attempt to solve the problem on my own, and if I ran into a problem, I would narrow it to the specific issue I'm having. The second seems to be a best practice question. Doesn't seem to be a programming issue.
    – fbueckert
    Jul 1, 2014 at 21:03
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    And I'm done. There's no reasoning with you, I see.
    – fbueckert
    Jul 1, 2014 at 21:08

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